<div dir="ltr">Cloud is good for some things, IMHO, but not a once size fit all. As we saw from last year, the cloud is not immune to outages. Unless you are big enough to get a dedicated circuit, you have QoS issues.<div><br></div><div>I have yet to see WxTeams work seamlessly on my mobile, the bug is back where it continues to ring after I answer on elsewhere.</div><div><br></div><div>My cloud connected home phone is rock solid (8865 to WxTeams), aside from the occasional QoS hiccup, but I would get that with any provider, not just Webex.</div><div><br></div><div>Would I advise my bigger customers to switch? Not yet. Hybrid calling is good for now and a properly built UCM cluster just can't be beat if you have a well built network, etc.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:38 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.
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<p class="MsoNormal">That’s a sign of good things to come.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m convinced.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> | Senior Analyst<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ryan Huff <<a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" target="_blank">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>>; Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank">w@woka.us</a>>; cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that green restart symbol every two weeks.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank">w@woka.us</a>>; cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That's a new major version every 6 months!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">CUCM 69 by mid-2046. Just in time for me to retire!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">*<b>sigh</b>*<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> | Senior Analyst</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Computing and Communications Services</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> | University of Guelph</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> cisco-voip <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Holloway<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank">w@woka.us</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank">w@woka.us</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers. We all know that the .0 releases have historically
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<p class="MsoNormal">So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why not just all Major versions all the time? Google Chrome is on version 76.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement? I didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff <<a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" target="_blank">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after that).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What's going on with .5 releases? I don't think I heard about that.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank">w@woka.us</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more SU's and less major releases.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi <<a href="mailto:kiwi.voice@gmail.com" target="_blank">kiwi.voice@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months? <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Reference : Page 20 of the link <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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