<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi Lelio,</div><div class=""> Checked that here:</div><div class="">Compatibility:</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/uc_system/virtualization/virtualization-cisco-unified-communications-manager.html" class="">https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/uc_system/virtualization/virtualization-cisco-unified-communications-manager.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="339F9867-46FA-4B4B-9549-9C72F0DE4066" src="cid:C7CDA539-119D-4CB1-ACF4-31AB1E70C5C2@cisco.com" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>I Believe a large part of it was to implement workaround for specter/meltdown<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Banner message when upgrading:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Warning: The following phone models are deprecated and no longer supported:</div><div class=""> </div><div class=""> 12 S, 12 SP, 12 SP+</div><div class=""> 30 SP+, 30 VIP</div><div class=""> 7902, 7905, 7910 (including 7910 SW)</div><div class=""> 7912, 7920, 7921</div><div class=""> 7935, 7970, 7971</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">After you upgrade and switch over, these unsupported phone models can no longer register with Cisco Unified Communications Manager. Please power down and remove these phones so they do not continue registration attempts. Keeping these phones on your network creates unnecessary network traffic and load on the UCM service.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">This is a Refresh Upgrade. Refresh Upgrades require an extended service outage and multiple reboots. Please refer to the Software Upgrades section of the Cisco Unified Communication Operating System Administration Guide for more information.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">If there exists any weak ciphers (like 1DES,null_encryption, blowfish448, rijndael, md5 ) in IPSEC policies then they will be converted, 1DES as encryption cipher will be converted to AES128 ,</div><div class="">MD5 as hash will be converted to SHA256 and null_encryption,blowfish448, rijndael as ESP to AES128.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">In order to use Certificate-based authentication with IPsec both sides of the connection must use certificates signed by the same root CA in the trust chain. Self-signed IPsec certificates are</div><div class="">no longer supported and IPSec connections using self-signed certificates will fail.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.cisco.com/web/software/286319236/146815/cucm-readme-1251su1-Rev2.pdf" class="">https://www.cisco.com/web/software/286319236/146815/cucm-readme-1251su1-Rev2.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Enjoy…..</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Let’s just hope there’s not a compatibility mismatch with respect to the CUCM version you’re running and the target ESXi version.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">A lot of us (have to) wait for a few versions to pass before committing to CUCM upgrades. Sounds like step/bridge upgrades are in our future once again.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji", sans-serif;" class="">😊</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Let’s hope the move to CentOS wasn’t _<i class="">just</i>_ an accounting decision. Maybe with direct access to modify the kernel and underlying libraries, we can see a bit more of a long term solution without having to update too frequently.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">---<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| Senior Analyst<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Computing and Communications Services</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| University of Guelph<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 |<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</span></a><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span id="cid:image001.png@01D55817.030CCBC0"><image001.png></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chester Rieman <<a href="mailto:crieman@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">crieman@gmail.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:45 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>cisco-voip (<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>) <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">w@woka.us</a>>; Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Just to Chime in here….<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From what I have seen upgrading in the lab upgrading to 12.5.1.11900-x (12.5(1)SU1) from almost anything (even from 12.5.1.10000-22) should be considered a major upgrade,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Similar to 8.6 where CUCM went to SELINUX with a new OS install.(especially true when coming from 11.x since that OS is still redhat)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2018/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2018/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">VMware shows CentOS7 is supported on ESXi 6.0.0 but Cisco says you need 6.5/6.7 (which is true)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">11.x is RHEL6, 12.0 is CentOS6, 12.5 is CentOS7 and may involve an ESXi upgrade prior to upgrading.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Bottom line, upgrade ESXi to 6.5/6.7 prior to attempting UCOS upgrade to 12.5(1)SU1 and you cannot do a fresh install of 12.5SU1 but you can upgrade from base 12.5.1:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span id="cid:image002.png@01D55817.030CCBC0"><image002.png></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-Chester<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Aug 15, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m hoping that Webex calling will come out with a “video mesh node” equivalent, so when your WAN link goes down, you have nodes on-premise to service your phones.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That being said, chances are, that won’t happen. Cisco is going to expect you to have a “Cloud Ready” network with multiple paths, QoS and peering set up.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m guessing may providers will soon have a backup 5G/6G cellular data option available so if that squirrel finally gets through chewing the fibre, you can prioritize voice traffic over the wireless backup link.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">---</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">| Senior Analyst</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Computing and Communications Services</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">| University of Guelph</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 |<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">| @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><image001.png><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">w@woka.us</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:46 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Ryan Huff <<a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">ryanhuff@outlook.com</span></a>>; Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</span></a>>; cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cloud is good for some things, IMHO, but not a once size fit all. As we saw from last year, the cloud is not immune to outages. Unless you are big enough to get a dedicated circuit, you have QoS issues.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have yet to see WxTeams work seamlessly on my mobile, the bug is back where it continues to ring after I answer on elsewhere.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">My cloud connected home phone is rock solid (8865 to WxTeams), aside from the occasional QoS hiccup, but I would get that with any provider, not just Webex.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Would I advise my bigger customers to switch? Not yet. Hybrid calling is good for now and a properly built UCM cluster just can't be beat if you have a well built network, etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:38 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That’s a sign of good things to come.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m convinced.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">---</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">| Senior Analyst</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Computing and Communications Services</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">| University of Guelph</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 |<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">| @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><image001.png><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Ryan Huff <<a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">ryanhuff@outlook.com</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</span></a>>; Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">w@woka.us</span></a>>; cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that green restart symbol every two weeks.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">---</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">| Senior Analyst</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Computing and Communications Services</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">| University of Guelph</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 |<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uoguelph.ca%2Fccs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C22113f37d40644de57c608d721a523d2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637014865456429669&sdata=Pd10jsjcQBMgJXb1etRx7L0VkkiGRtg%2B06QmkUhomqY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">| @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><image001.png><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">w@woka.us</span></a>>; cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So if I do the math...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">No more minor versions<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">...punches some keys...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">And 2 month SU cycles<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">...punches more keys....<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">With an upper limit of 3 SUs<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">...punches even more keys...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That's a new major version every 6 months!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That means we'll see<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">..key punching intensifies...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">CUCM 69 by mid-2046. Just in time for me to retire!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s either, three at most?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">*<b class="">sigh</b>*<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">---</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">| Senior Analyst</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Computing and Communications Services</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">| University of Guelph</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 |<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Anthony Holloway<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">w@woka.us</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">w@woka.us</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers. We all know that the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Why not just all Major versions all the time? Google Chrome is on version 76.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement? I didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff <<a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">ryanhuff@outlook.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after that).<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What's going on with .5 releases? I don't think I heard about that.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">w@woka.us</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more SU's and less major releases.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi <<a href="mailto:kiwi.voice@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">kiwi.voice@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Group, <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months? <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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