<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Just to Chime in here….<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">From what I have seen upgrading in the lab upgrading to 12.5.1.11900-x (12.5(1)SU1) from almost anything (even from 12.5.1.10000-22) should be considered a major upgrade,</div><div class="">Similar to 8.6 where CUCM went to SELINUX with a new OS install.(especially true when coming from 11.x since that OS is still redhat)</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2018/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf" class="">https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2018/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">VMware shows CentOS7 is supported on ESXi 6.0.0 but Cisco says you need 6.5/6.7 (which is true)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">11.x is RHEL6, 12.0 is CentOS6, 12.5 is CentOS7 and may involve an ESXi upgrade prior to upgrading.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bottom line, upgrade ESXi to 6.5/6.7 prior to attempting UCOS upgrade to 12.5(1)SU1 and you cannot do a fresh install of 12.5SU1 but you can upgrade from base 12.5.1:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="E16069E7-5BBD-4B6C-8058-9167E993BDE0" src="cid:41E23897-79FC-47CC-8F9B-7677308F212A@cisco.com" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Chester</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 15, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m hoping that Webex calling will come out with a “video mesh node” equivalent, so when your WAN link goes down, you have nodes on-premise to service your phones.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That being said, chances are, that won’t happen. Cisco is going to expect you to have a “Cloud Ready” network with multiple paths, QoS and peering set up.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m guessing may providers will soon have a backup 5G/6G cellular data option available so if that squirrel finally gets through chewing the fibre, you can prioritize voice traffic over the wireless backup link.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">---<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| Senior Analyst<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Computing and Communications Services</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| University of Guelph<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span id="cid:image001.png@01D55371.5D7ADAC0"><image001.png></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">w@woka.us</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:46 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ryan Huff <<a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a>>; Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>>; cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cloud is good for some things, IMHO, but not a once size fit all. As we saw from last year, the cloud is not immune to outages. Unless you are big enough to get a dedicated circuit, you have QoS issues.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have yet to see WxTeams work seamlessly on my mobile, the bug is back where it continues to ring after I answer on elsewhere.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">My cloud connected home phone is rock solid (8865 to WxTeams), aside from the occasional QoS hiccup, but I would get that with any provider, not just Webex.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Would I advise my bigger customers to switch? Not yet. Hybrid calling is good for now and a properly built UCM cluster just can't be beat if you have a well built network, etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:38 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That’s a sign of good things to come.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m convinced.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">---</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| Senior Analyst</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Computing and Communications Services</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| University of Guelph</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 |<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</span></a><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span id="cid:image001.png@01D55371.5D7ADAC0"><image001.png></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ryan Huff <<a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>>; Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">w@woka.us</a>>; cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that green restart symbol every two weeks.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">---</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| Senior Analyst</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Computing and Communications Services</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| University of Guelph</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 |<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uoguelph.ca%2Fccs&data=02%7C01%7C%7C22113f37d40644de57c608d721a523d2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637014865456429669&sdata=Pd10jsjcQBMgJXb1etRx7L0VkkiGRtg%2B06QmkUhomqY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</span></a><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><image001.png><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">w@woka.us</a>>; cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So if I do the math...<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">No more minor versions<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">...punches some keys...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">And 2 month SU cycles<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">...punches more keys....<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">With an upper limit of 3 SUs<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">...punches even more keys...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That's a new major version every 6 months!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That means we'll see<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">..key punching intensifies...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">CUCM 69 by mid-2046. Just in time for me to retire!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s either, three at most?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">*<b class="">sigh</b>*<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">---</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| Senior Analyst</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; 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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>cisco-voip <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Anthony Holloway<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">w@woka.us</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">w@woka.us</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers. We all know that the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Why not just all Major versions all the time? Google Chrome is on version 76.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement? I didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff <<a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after that).<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What's going on with .5 releases? I don't think I heard about that.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:w@woka.us" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">w@woka.us</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more SU's and less major releases.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi <<a href="mailto:kiwi.voice@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kiwi.voice@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Group, <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months? <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Reference : Page 20 of the link <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ciscolive.com%2Fc%2Fdam%2Fr%2Fciscolive%2Fus%2Fdocs%2F2019%2Fpdf%2FPSOCOL-1000.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C22113f37d40644de57c608d721a523d2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637014865456439678&sdata=yeh%2BPcDLDmSl8oD0w3mTIZBpZXMDrDLZWh5YVl9aV4U%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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