<div dir="ltr">What is this pass and map CSS info thing you've mentioned twice now? That's not something I've ever heard of. Have you seen that done before, or maybe read it somewhere? I know here are times where more data can be transmitted over a SIP/ICT trunk; like in GeoLocation or Anti Tromboning, but I've just never heard of this with CSS/Partitions.<div><br></div><div>Let's just say it's not possible for sake of argument. Then, you could pass a prefix to the called number, and using translation patterns on the terminating cluster, you could switch the CSS.</div><div><br></div><div><div>E.g., On Net Remote Cluster</div><div><br></div><div>Originating Cluster</div><div>Phone CSS is Whatever</div><div>Phone dials On Net Pattern e.g., 4000</div><div>On Net Pattern prefixes *#*00
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and routes to SIP trunk (*#*0116125551212)</div><div><br></div><div>Terminating Cluster</div><div>CSS on SIP trunk matches *#*01.! xlate</div><div>Xlate strips *#*01, adds plus, and sets CSS to Local (+16125551212)</div><div>Correct pattern now gets matched as if phone was local to this cluster <br></div><div><br></div><div>E.g., National</div><div><br></div><div><div>Originating Cluster</div><div>Phone CSS is National</div><div>Phone dials National Pattern e.g., \+13055551212</div><div>National Pattern strips + prefixes *#*02 and routes to SIP trunk (*#*13055551212)</div><div><br></div><div>Terminating Cluster</div><div>CSS on SIP trunk matches *#*02.! xlate</div><div>Xlate strips *#*02, adds plus, and sets CSS to National (+13055551212)</div><div>Correct pattern now gets matched as if phone was local to this cluster <br></div><div><br></div><div>And I think that illustrates the point, barring any typos I might have made.</div><div><br></div><div>You would then be able to support 100 CSS mappings with this model.. Choose a prefix which makes sense for you, but if the SIP CSS on the terminating Cluster only can access prefixed patterns, then it could literally be anything you want.</div><div><br></div><div>On the topic of the BE6K, just like others have stated, it's the same level of effort as "normal" CUCM...because it is a normal CUCM. A BE6KS is too, for what that's worth, however a BE4K is completely different and cloud managed like a meraki device. You might find that the implementation of the BE6K is easier for two reasons: 1) Your expectations for it to perform for you are lower than your production cluster, 2) Managing the VMware side of it might be easier because it's more of an appliance, and less of a datacenter object. (E.g., no UCS manager, and no vCenter requirements).</div><div><br></div><div>On the topic of just looking at this as a "good idea" I do think that it is a good idea. In fact, this idea is very similar to what UCCE deployments are typically like, where the entire UCCE environment gets its own CUCM cluster, separate from the non- Contact Center users and devices. Or how you might have an entire VCS/Expressway cluster for registering your video devices. Or heck, what's starting to become popular and cloud register all of your video devices, so you can get rid of on-premise telepresence all together. I think this plan of yours falls right inline with those other scenarios.</div><div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:25 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I don’t see it being needed in this case. Just two clusters. All off-perm resources (if required) would be routed through the main cluster. That being said, I’m not up to speed on what the session managers give you. But I’d like to avoid additional components.
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Yup. That’s the plan. I was just wondering if be6k was more “user friendly” with fewer configurable options. More like a key system or something.
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Separate cluster for third party SIP clients with SIP/ICT trunk to production<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>Is your goal of a separate cluster that it's going to be managed under a separate administrative domain, or to restrict calls to/from certain devices?<u></u><u></u></p>
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