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<p class="MsoNormal">This is very helpful. Thanks. I was worried I’d have to worry about this, but for now, it looks like I don’t have to.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Awesome sauce!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Anthony Holloway <avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 13, 2020 5:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio@uoguelph.ca><br>
<b>Cc:</b> voyp list, cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net) <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] setting primary phone for Jabber users without a physical phone - licensing<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You mentioned Primary Phone, so I thought I understood you, but I guess not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>"If I'm not mistaken, in this case, and, in any case where
<b>a primary phone is not set</b>, more licenses are used then would need to be."</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The primary phone field does not play a role in licensing anymore. It's simply the owner user id set on the phone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As for the workings of UCL:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1 device (regardless of user association) = 1 enhanced* <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3 - 10 devices all with 1 owner user id = 1 cuwl<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">11+ devices all with 1 owner user id = 1+ cuwl (e.g., 34 devices + 1 user = 4 cuwl) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">*unless you purchased a cheap phone, then it might be basic or essential<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Don't forget the borrowing that happens, so technically, a single device with no user could consume a cuwl license.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">E.g., Anthony with no physical phone but does have: CSF + BOT + TAB + TCT will consume 1 cuwl license, with no primary phone set, just the owner user id on all 4 devices.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:13 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Yes, no DLUs, but there’s still licenses. So, what I was afraid of was that instead of one CUWL license, it would use 4 separate enhanced licenses. But, I’m guessing because it’s
all one userID, it uses the license based on the number of devices.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So, if I have 4 Jabber devices to one userID, it uses CUWL, but if it uses 2 jabber devices, it uses enhanced?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 13, 2020 2:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> voyp list, cisco-voip (<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>) <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] setting primary phone for Jabber users without a physical phone - licensing<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We have *not* had DLUs since...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 1:38 PM Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I might be saying something completely crazy here, but the Primary Phone field does nothing for you ever since CUCM 9x User Connect Licenses (UCL).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Here's what the help says for that field:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i>Choose the physical phone that will be associated with the application, such as IP communicator or Cisco Unified Personal Communicator. When you choose a primary phone, the application
<b>consumes fewer device license units</b> and is considered an "adjunct" license (to the primary phone).</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We have had DLUs since 8x, so, unless you're on version 8.x, you can ignore this field.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 12:29 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I'm trying to setup an easy to replicate (troubleshoot/reconcile) system in place for our Jabber deployment.<br>
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We've decided to assign each Jabber device type to each user so there's no end-user support issues when they want to use it on another device and/or move from one device type to another.<br>
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If I'm not mistaken, in this case, and, in any case where a primary phone is not set, more licenses are used then would need to be. The issue at hand here, is what happens when we deploy Jabber without a physical phone?<br>
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I'm already finding that the quick/add feature really only works when a phone is configured (although I have to work through that). So, I'm wondering, is it worthwhile to configure a "dummy" phone for Jabber users and set the primary phone for all Jabber clients
to this dummy phone? Or should I ask them to pick the CSF jabber device as the primary phone for example?<br>
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What have others done?<br>
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Lelio<br>
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