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<p class="MsoNormal">That bothers me too. I think the only option where that makes sense is for RGs and RLs because they cannot share the same name.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> cisco-voip <cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Holloway<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matthew Loraditch <MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Migration from CUCM/UCXN/UCCX 8.5 to 12.5<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can anyone give a use case where appending or prepending the object type identifier on the name is helpful? E.g., why put -css on a css at all?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:19 PM Matthew Loraditch <<a href="mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com">MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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PT-, CSS-, etc<o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
FQDN<o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
My setups are always distributed. Certainly could have central if it’s one site.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
Usually always<o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
SIP, SIP, SIP<o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
Unfortunately no, drives my OCD crazy. I hate lower/mixed case naming of devices with a passion. I’m also born of a Windows world where case never mattered.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#F3800B">p:</span><span style="color:gray"> <a href="tel:443.541.1518" target="_blank"><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">443.541.1518</span></strong></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Pawlowski, Adam <<a href="mailto:ajp26@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">ajp26@buffalo.edu</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James B <<a href="mailto:james.buchanan2@gmail.com" target="_blank">james.buchanan2@gmail.com</a>>; Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>>; Matthew Loraditch <<a href="mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com" target="_blank">MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [cisco-voip] Migration from CUCM/UCXN/UCCX 8.5 to 12.5<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Sure I can fire this up<o:p></o:p></p>
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part_ , like part_local, part_ld, part_ld_privacy , etc.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
FQDN, but, make sure your DNS/NTP/etc works with resiliency.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
Depends on if you’re distributed, using hardware conf, transcoder cause you have some people on some sort of twizzler based connection using g729, etc<o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
Yes, unless you have something on the other side that can’t handle these requests coming from the whole group, or again a distributed system.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
SIP. MGCP is nice in a set it and forget it way, but if you want to use the gateway to do anything else like custom intercepts, redirection, hairpinning, it won’t help you. There are some features that don’t work when you go to SIP but whatever.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
Why would you give anything an upper case hostname <o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James B<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 28, 2020 2:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>>; Matthew Loraditch <<a href="mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com" target="_blank">MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Migration from CUCM/UCXN/UCCX 8.5 to 12.5<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">I was thinking of the community configuration approach Anthony suggested and was thinking of the debates we’d have if we did that:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Do you use “_PT”, “PT_”, or just the site name? Same for “CSS”, “LOC”, and the ever-debated “RGN” or “REG”?.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-GB">FQDN or IP addresses?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-GB">Do all the media resources go into a single MRG or not?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-GB">Do we click “Run on all Nodes” for route lists and trunks or not?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-GB">MGCP, SIP, or H323 (if using PRIs)?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="gmail-m-7343725817321097023msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-GB">Can UCCX have upper-case hostnames or not? </span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">The debates would take us so long, version 14.0 would be out, and then we’d have to debate about whether a “.0” versoin is stable or not or should we wait for
“.5”? Still, could be fun!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">Anthony Holloway</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>28 May 2020 19:15<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com" target="_blank">Matthew Loraditch</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [cisco-voip] Migration from CUCM/UCXN/UCCX 8.5 to 12.5</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">Keep in mind that PCD network migrations, while awesome for CUCM, do not work for other products.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">Typically with a project like this, you'll likely have a different approach for each app, and not a one size fits all solution.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">With the app upgrades, you will also have to change OVA sizes (or want to in some cases), and at that point, it might be better to install fresh, and use tools
like COBRAS, BAT, AXL, ADMIN API, stare & compare, etc. to get data exported/imported from old to new.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Have new M5s and flex licensing… need to get to 12.5.. 8.5 docs are dead for CUCM/UCXN and 8 and 9 docs are dead for UCCX. ISOs I may need are not available publicly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Also fun wrinkle the new host are across the WAN and for many logistical reasons are staying there. The migration to the new hosts will have to be via DRS or maybe PCD somehow?
Not sure if the bandwidth available to get data across will be fast enough to finish in the allotted time period. My plan was a change freeze window and copy/restore the backups and then activate the new servers and move the subnet to the new location.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As best I can tell I need to get UCCX to SU4 of 8.5.1 then I can go to 10.6 SU3 and then to 12x (with the fun of two CAD upgrades and then a migration to Finesse!)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For CUCM/UCXN I need to go to 8.6 anything and then I can go to 11.5 and then to 12x<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think my plan is to do the upgrades to the interim versions on the old hosts then migrate to the new and then finish the upgrades. The old hosts will need ESXi upgrades to an
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Anyone have thoughts on what they would do here? This is partially depending on TAC being able to provide me the ISOs I will need, but I presume there is an archive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In theory some sort of PCD migration is also an option, but I’ve never done one and not sure how it could handle the subnet situation that will have to exist.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Welcome to my fun life!<o:p></o:p></p>
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