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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m not immersed in the industry by any means to say, but yes the cloud thing seems to be a moving target of opportunity to gain actual ROI or benefit from it, amidst changing budgets, feature demands, and licensing models.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I consider where my shop is to be on a bit of a lag on some trends which has its ups and downs. In this case we’re being asked to look at “cloud” now, but, narrowly focused to telephony. On one hand we may get shoved there by vendors, and
cloud telephony is everywhere at this point, but, on the other hand the ROI ship has sort of sailed a bit.
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<p class="MsoNormal">When this appeared that you can run in AWS I … just don’t get it. I bet it has its applications if you don’t have space to run premise servers, if the whole city/state/country/world is your “WAN” as far as your business goes, sure. Or if
you’re one of the shops still running old PBX and finally looking to bite the bullet, but, hasn’t that well run dry at this point?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> cisco-voip <cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Holloway<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> UC Penguin <gentoo@ucpenguin.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Cisco VoIP Group <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] vCUBE Experiences<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was just hearing from a Cisco person, who was saying something like "Everybody said they had to have it, but when we finally had an offer, there were literally ZERO people who did it."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And here I was thinking that my customer base was just cloud adverse and everyone else was jumping on the AWS band wagon. Guess not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 9:28 AM UC Penguin <<a href="mailto:gentoo@ucpenguin.com">gentoo@ucpenguin.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Shared resources like AWS on the surface seem like a great idea for lab stuff. Looks like a great solution for on demand scaling etc though.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It just doesn’t seem to that useful for UC purposes and even if it were it would still be cheaper to buy one server and run it all on one box.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s interesting to watch management push for cloud everything and then slowly back away when they see the increased cost.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Back to CUCM on prem in lab via VPN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The CUCM AWS deployment is out of reach for lab purposes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">That one is basically CUCM on VMWare in AWS (which is like the dedicated resources) - it's not AWS AMI format.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">That said, I've got a great provider here in Australia that does VMWare based cloud (NSX).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">That would be good for lab.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 4 June 2020 11:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:tim.smith@enject.com.au" target="_blank">tim.smith@enject.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Cisco VoIP Group <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] vCUBE Experiences</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Was that trunk to Twilio for CME? If not, what was on the backside of your gateway? CUCM? If so, was that in AWS too?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:54 PM Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:tim.smith@enject.com.au" target="_blank">tim.smith@enject.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Great question, also interested in hearing production stories.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I've deployed Virtual Acme Packet's previously - same limitations - no DSP's etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It was a little early and we had teething issues of appliance to virtual machine type stuff.. but through the updates this improved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I've played with CUBE on CSR1000V on AWS - SIP trunks to Twilio - and it works great.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It's certainly so nice and easy to spin up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I've also run CSR1000V in AWS for dynamic VPN's.. which again works great.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The DSP's are a nice fallback. You don't need them 99% of the time.. but when that 1% case comes up later - then it's certainly handy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I think that's a big reason vCUBE is not quoted in customer land.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I assume it could be popular in service provider land though.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">With that Acme deployment (and this was actually years ago now) - we were migrating, so we still had PRI gateways with plenty of free DSP's, which we could use for Transcoders if required.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> cisco-voip <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>> on behalf of Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 4 June 2020 7:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Cisco VoIP Group <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] vCUBE Experiences</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyone have some vCUBEs out in production for a while, and willing to share their feelings and/or experiences with it?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anything from deployment, to restrictions, to licensing, to upgrade processes, lessons learned, etc?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the obvious thing is the lack of DSP/PVDM since this is a virtual machine, but what else?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't come across these in the field at all, and I don't see them being proposed or quoted these days, despite vCUBE having been around for a few years now.<o:p></o:p></p>
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