Hi Guys,<br><br>Thank you very much! I spoke with our Foundry rep yesterday. He mentioned that the primary difference between the BigIron RX, MLX and XMR were their MPLS capabilities..or lack thereof. He said the MLX could only do edge MPLS duties, whereas the XMR can do core and edge MPLS. We got cut off before he could explain the difference. Any help is greatly appreciated.
<br><br>Best Regards,<br>Jason<br><br>P.S.<br>Can an XMR32000 really outpeform a Juniper T640 in the real world?<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/22/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Gunther Stammwitz</b> <<a href="mailto:gstammw@gmx.net">
gstammw@gmx.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Well the cam is really huge and every linecard brings its
own cam:</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><a href="mailto:SSH@CORE1.rb.mainlab.net%3Eshow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">show</a>
cam-partition </font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">CAM
partitioning profile: default</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Slot 1
XPP20SP 0:<br># of CAM
device
= 3<br>Total CAM
Size
= 524288 entries (36Mbits)</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">[...]</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">show
memory
<br>====================================================================<br>NetIron
MLX active MP slot 17: <br>Total
SDRAM: 1073741824
bytes<br>Available Memory: 758779904
bytes<br>Free Physical Pages: 178649
pages</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">[...]</font></span></div>
<div><span></span><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">====================================================================<br>NetIron
MLX LP SL 1: <br>Total
SDRAM:
536870912 bytes<br>Available Memory:
236212224 bytes</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">show
version</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">SL M1:
NI-MLX-MR Management Module Active (Serial #: xxxxxx, Part #:
31524-100A):</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">[...]</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">916
MHz Power PC processor (version 8003/0101) 166 MHz bus<br>512 KB Boot
Flash (AM29LV040B), 32 MB Code Flash (MT28F128J3)<br>1024 MB
DRAM</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">[...]</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">SL 1:
NI-MLX-1Gx20-GFX 20-port 1GbE-100FX Module (Serial #: xxxxxx, Part #:
31604-001B)</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">[...]</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">666
MHz MPC 8541 (version 8020/0020) 333 MHz bus<br>512 KB Boot Flash (AM29LV040B),
16 MB Code Flash (MT28F640J3)<br>512 MB DRAM, 8 KB SRAM, 0 Bytes BRAM<br>PPCR0:
768K entries CAM, 8192K PRAM, 2048K AGE RAM</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I
don't see where there's a problem with number of routes and so on because you
are saying that it is (only) an enterprise box. Sure.. the XMR can handle even
more peers routes and so on but who really needs this?</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">There
is a comparison available:</font></span></div>
<div><span> </span></div>
<div>
<table dir="ltr" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" height="228" width="530">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 3px 1px 1px 2px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="185">
<div><span style="font-size: 20pt;" lang="EN-US"><u>Attributes</u></span></div></td>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 2px 1px 1px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="107">
<div><span style="font-size: 20pt;" lang="EN-US"><u>BigIron RX</u></span></div></td>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 2px 1px 1px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="119">
<div><span style="font-size: 20pt;" lang="EN-US"><u>NetIron MLX</u></span></div></td>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 2px 2px 1px 1px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="121">
<div><span style="font-size: 20pt;" lang="EN-US"><u>NetIron XMR</u></span></div></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 2px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="185">
<div><span lang="EN-US">IPv4 HW Routes</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="107">
<div><span lang="EN-US">512K</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="119">
<div><span lang="EN-US">512K</span></div></td>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 1px 2px 1px 1px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="121">
<div><span lang="EN-US">1M</span></div></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 2px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="185">
<div><span lang="EN-US">IPv4 BGP Routes</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="107">
<div><span lang="EN-US">1M/4M</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="119">
<div><span lang="EN-US">2M</span></div></td>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 1px 2px 1px 1px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="121">
<div><span lang="EN-US">4M</span></div></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 2px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="185">
<div><span lang="EN-US">BGP Peers</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="107">
<div><span lang="EN-US">128</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="119">
<div><span lang="EN-US">256</span></div></td>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 1px 2px 1px 1px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="121">
<div><span lang="EN-US">500</span></div></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border-style: solid; border-color: black; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 2px; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="185">
<div><span lang="EN-US">L3 VPN Instances</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="107">
<div><span lang="EN-US">N/A</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="119">
<div><span lang="EN-US">400</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="121">
<div><span lang="EN-US">2K</span></div></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="185">
<div><span lang="EN-US">VLL/VPLS Instances</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="107">
<div><span lang="EN-US">N/A</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="119">
<div><span lang="EN-US">4K</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="121">
<div><span lang="EN-US">16K</span></div></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="185">
<div><span lang="EN-US">Outbound ACL</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="107">
<div><span lang="EN-US">N/A</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="119">
<div><span lang="EN-US">Yes</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="121">
<div><span lang="EN-US">Yes</span></div></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="185">
<div><span lang="EN-US">MAC Addresses</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="107">
<div><span lang="EN-US">16K</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="119">
<div><span lang="EN-US">1M</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="121">
<div><span lang="EN-US">2M</span></div></td></tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="185">
<div><span lang="EN-US">Relative 4x10GbE Pricing</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="107">
<div><span lang="EN-US">X</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="119">
<div><span lang="EN-US">~1.25X</span></div></td>
<td style="border: 1px solid black; vertical-align: top;" height="26" width="121">
<div><span lang="EN-US">~1.90X</span></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>ask
your foundry-rep for the powerpoint with the title "High Value Switching &
Routing Solutions<br>Metro, ISP, Data Center, IXP, High End Enterprise, HPC", it
containts a very good comparison of the latest foundry gear.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>512K
IPv4 routes in hardware is more than enough for the next years...
</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>If you
take into account that the linecards for the XMR-series are double the price you
will certainly aggree....</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Best
regards,<br>Gunther</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font><br>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Von:</b> <a href="mailto:foundry-nsp-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">foundry-nsp-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:foundry-nsp-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">foundry-nsp-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Mike
Allen<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 22. September 2006 18:17<br><b>An:</b>
Jason J. W. Williams<br><b>Cc:</b>
<a href="mailto:foundry-nsp@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">foundry-nsp@puck.nether.net</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [f-nsp] foundry-nsp Digest,
Vol 44, Issue 8<br></font><br></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10dd67d41dccb1cb_1">
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<div>Jason, sorry, meant to get back to you sooner. No, it has a much
larger ternary cam, and does the FDR (pre-population of the cam) as
well. But keep in mind that this is an enterprise box, in terms of total
numbers of routes, etc. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Mike<br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/18/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jason J. W.
Williams</b> <<a href="mailto:jasonjwwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jasonjwwilliams@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi
Mike,<br><br>Does the SuperX suffer from the same problems as JetCore the in
terms<br>of the routing/CAM discussion going on? <br><br>Best
Regards,<br>Jason<br><br>On 9/18/06, Mike Allen <<a href="mailto:mkallen@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mkallen@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>><br>> Hi Jason,<br>><br>> No, its
not. SuperX uses one specific chipset and software, Terathon
refers <br>> to the MG8/NI40G. The newer MLX/XMR family is the
next generation of<br>> Terathon hardware. The SuperX is more
of an enterprise box, in terms of<br>> features and
densities.<br>><br>><br>> Mike<br>><br>><br>> On 9/18/06,
Jason J. W. Williams <<a href="mailto:jasonjwwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jasonjwwilliams@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>> ><br>> Niels et. al,<br>><br>> Is the chipset in
the new SuperX gear (as well as the MG8/newer <br>> NetIron gear) using
Terathon?<br>><br>> -J<br>>
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