<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt">That's a good idea, didn't know about the VLL architecture, but I would need a better backbone/mesh to do that, and I really don't have that "hub" point.<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Mark Tees <marktees@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Eric Louie <elouie@yahoo.com>; foundry-nsp
<foundry-nsp@puck.nether.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:43 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [f-nsp] NetIron CER 2000 as a metro switch<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>
<div id="yiv1331644010"><div dir="ltr">If you want to do L3/PE services for customers and want to keep costs down it might be feasible to use CES at access points then ship traffic using VLL's to a couple of strategically placed PE L3 devices that could be CER or larger?</div>
<div class="yiv1331644010gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv1331644010gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:youssef@720.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:youssef@720.fr">youssef@720.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv1331644010gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>I would advise you to take a close look to the data sheets for both product lines with your SE.</div>
<div><br></div><div>My personal opinion, I'd get a CER because it can pretty much do anything a CES does and much more if needed in a later futur. But that's me ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps.</div><div>
<br></div><div>Y.<br><br><br></div><div><br>Le 29 août 2013 à 01:16, "Eric Louie" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:elouie@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:elouie@yahoo.com">elouie@yahoo.com</a>> a écrit :<br><br></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010h5"><blockquote type="cite">
<div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070c0;">Ok<u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070c0;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070c0;">It’s being used as a base switch. Each GigE port may be servicing up to 10 customers over a trunked interface, though port bandwidth utilization will rarely exceed 150 Mbps. Most of those connections will be simple point-to-point IP connections via individual VLANs. 24 ports is the most we’ll need at any site, and the switches are interconnected via backhaul WAN circuits to form a ring or partial mesh as the backhaul topology allows. IP is routed within the backbone using OSPF. We have a combination of public (customer assigned) and private (internal use) IP addresses within the backbone.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070c0;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070c0;">Part of our growth path will be to offer MPLS via VRF circuits between switches, regionally and locally. Customers with multiple locations in our regional area will have the ability to interconnect their offices using VRFs. We will also offer IPv6 to our customers as these new switches are installed. <u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070c0;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0070c0;">much appreciated,<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0070c0;">Eric Louie<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070c0;"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:youssef@720.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:youssef@720.fr">mailto:youssef@720.fr</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> Eric Louie<br><b>Cc:</b> foundry-nsp<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [f-nsp] NetIron CER 2000 as a metro switch<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">Well,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">First of all, one is a switch who can do a little routing with small RIB capacity while the other is a router who can do a little switching whit high RIB capacity.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">Again, if you don't state your needs/requirements/sizing, it's going to be difficult to help.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Y.<br><br><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>Le 29 août 2013 à 00:54, "Eric Louie" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:elouie@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:elouie@yahoo.com">elouie@yahoo.com</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070c0;">What’s the difference between the CER and the CES? From the local Systems Engineer, he says “L3 VPNs on the CER, L2 VPNs on the CES”. Any other notable differences?</span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070c0;"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0070c0;">much appreciated,</span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0070c0;">Eric Louie</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0070c0;"> </span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:youssef@720.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:youssef@720.fr">mailto:youssef@720.fr</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> Eric Louie<br><b>Cc:</b> foundry-nsp<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [f-nsp] NetIron CER 2000 as a metro switch</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">
<u></u><u></u></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">Hello Eric,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">I have been running CER-RT as route reflectors and MPLS PEs for our "small" POPs just fine.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">Now, if you are looking for metro switchs as a replacement for Cisco ME3600, you should probably take a look at the CES switchs destined for that typical use case.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">Again, it all depends on your requirements/needs/sizing which you didn't specify.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">HTH.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>Le 29 août 2013 à 00:31, "Eric Louie" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:elouie@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:elouie@yahoo.com">elouie@yahoo.com</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I’m considering using the CER 2000 as a mpls PE switch. I have been told that the CER-RT can also be used as an Internet edge switch (will hold multiple BGP tables)</span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I’m interested in your experiences in configuration and operation in either application. What are you using for CE devices? (Brocade doesn’t seem to have a branch office router)</span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">(Currently using Cisco ME3600-X for PE and c871 for CE)</span><u></u><u></u></div>
<div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">much appreciated,<u></u><u></u></div><div class="yiv1331644010MsoNormal">Eric Louie<u></u><u></u></div>
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