<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>Hi</div><div><br></div><div>The main issue about the ces plattform is the license. If you want all features you need two licences metro and l3er routing. On the cer plattform you have routing and advanced routing. It could be cheaper to buy a cer in some scenarios if you have to buy all ces licenses. </div><div><br></div><div>You mention mpls and vrf, you have to read carefully the limits cause as I remember you have only 16 vrf on the ces plattform. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards Erich</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>Am 29.08.2013 um 03:43 schrieb Mark Tees <<a href="mailto:marktees@gmail.com">marktees@gmail.com</a>>:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">If you want to do L3/PE services for customers and want to keep costs down it might be feasible to use CES at access points then ship traffic using VLL's to a couple of strategically placed PE L3 devices that could be CER or larger?</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:youssef@720.fr" target="_blank">youssef@720.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>I would advise you to take a close look to the data sheets for both product lines with your SE.</div>
<div><br></div><div>My personal opinion, I'd get a CER because it can pretty much do anything a CES does and much more if needed in a later futur. But that's me ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps.</div><div>
<br></div><div>Y.<br><br><br></div><div><br>Le 29 août 2013 à 01:16, "Eric Louie" <<a href="mailto:elouie@yahoo.com" target="_blank">elouie@yahoo.com</a>> a écrit :<br><br></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">Ok<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0070c0"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">It’s being used as a base switch. Each GigE port may be servicing up to 10 customers over a trunked interface, though port bandwidth utilization will rarely exceed 150 Mbps. Most of those connections will be simple point-to-point IP connections via individual VLANs. 24 ports is the most we’ll need at any site, and the switches are interconnected via backhaul WAN circuits to form a ring or partial mesh as the backhaul topology allows. IP is routed within the backbone using OSPF. We have a combination of public (customer assigned) and private (internal use) IP addresses within the backbone.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0070c0"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">Part of our growth path will be to offer MPLS via VRF circuits between switches, regionally and locally. Customers with multiple locations in our regional area will have the ability to interconnect their offices using VRFs. We will also offer IPv6 to our customers as these new switches are installed. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0070c0"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0070c0">much appreciated,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0070c0">Eric Louie<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0070c0"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr [<a href="mailto:youssef@720.fr" target="_blank">mailto:youssef@720.fr</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> Eric Louie<br><b>Cc:</b> foundry-nsp<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [f-nsp] NetIron CER 2000 as a metro switch<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Well,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">First of all, one is a switch who can do a little routing with small RIB capacity while the other is a router who can do a little switching whit high RIB capacity.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Again, if you don't state your needs/requirements/sizing, it's going to be difficult to help.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Y.<br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>Le 29 août 2013 à 00:54, "Eric Louie" <<a href="mailto:elouie@yahoo.com" target="_blank">elouie@yahoo.com</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0070c0">What’s the difference between the CER and the CES? From the local Systems Engineer, he says “L3 VPNs on the CER, L2 VPNs on the CES”. Any other notable differences?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0070c0"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0070c0">much appreciated,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0070c0">Eric Louie</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0070c0"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr [<a href="mailto:youssef@720.fr" target="_blank">mailto:youssef@720.fr</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> Eric Louie<br><b>Cc:</b> foundry-nsp<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [f-nsp] NetIron CER 2000 as a metro switch</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hello Eric,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I have been running CER-RT as route reflectors and MPLS PEs for our "small" POPs just fine.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Now, if you are looking for metro switchs as a replacement for Cisco ME3600, you should probably take a look at the CES switchs destined for that typical use case.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Again, it all depends on your requirements/needs/sizing which you didn't specify.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">HTH.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>Le 29 août 2013 à 00:31, "Eric Louie" <<a href="mailto:elouie@yahoo.com" target="_blank">elouie@yahoo.com</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">I’m considering using the CER 2000 as a mpls PE switch. I have been told that the CER-RT can also be used as an Internet edge switch (will hold multiple BGP tables)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">I’m interested in your experiences in configuration and operation in either application. What are you using for CE devices? (Brocade doesn’t seem to have a branch office router)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">(Currently using Cisco ME3600-X for PE and c871 for CE)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">much appreciated,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Eric Louie<u></u><u></u></p>
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