<div dir="ltr"><div>But there is no successor for CER in SLX portfolio for full-table BGP routing. In CER-RT I have 1.5M FIB IPv4, in SLX we have 256K. Minimum is 1M today, but for next years enough is not less than 1.5M or 2M FIB. Anything gonna to change in FIB size on 1U SLX boxes ? Second - SLX is much more expensive than CES is - many times we don't need Nx10G.<br></div><div><br></div>Rob<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Wilbur Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wsmith@brocade.com" target="_blank">wsmith@brocade.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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so no changes to that process as of now. CES/CER shares the codebase with MLX, so as long as we’re developing for the MLX you can expect to see those enhancements come over to CES/CER.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:52 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"i3D.net - Martijn Schmidt" <<a href="mailto:martijnschmidt@i3d.net" target="_blank">martijnschmidt@i3d.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Stanley Vignier via foundry-nsp <<a href="mailto:foundry-nsp@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">foundry-nsp@puck.nether.net</a>><span class=""><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi guys, that is all correct, CES/CER is included as part of the MLX platform, and has been subject to ROHS restrictions lately. Right now BNA is more up in the air, it will continue to be maintained for a year but Brocade is keeping the
BNA name long term. I would expect those functions to migrate to Smart Insight on the Arris side, and either BWC or Extreme's management platform eventually.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:05 PM, i3D.net - Martijn Schmidt <<a href="mailto:martijnschmidt@i3d.net" target="_blank">martijnschmidt@i3d.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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That being said, I believe the CER/CES are end of sales in Europe due to RoHS regulations: customs will not allow them to be imported. If I recall correctly they are still being sold in the rest of the world though.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Anyway what will happen to CER/CES products ? BNA ? As Extreme didn't bought CER/CES and as you wrote PM & Eng team will go to Extreme
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Wanted to send a quick update. Please regard my info as “unofficial” because Brocade hasn’t made any formal announcements, but the entire PM & Engineering teams
for MLX, VDX, SLX, & StackStorm are slated to move over to Extreme. This is good news because it means Extreme will keep investing in these products and their roadmaps; there wouldn’t be a reason to bring all of the teams over (and pay their salaries) if Extreme
was planning on sun setting these products early. Hopefully your account teams will have some additional details on what the transition plan is over the next few weeks. One challenge on sharing information is FTC rules about sharing information before the
actual sale goes through, but as we get closer to the close date more info should be coming.<br>
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On a side note, the Virtual SLX-OS code should be posted to MyBrocade soon; this is a modified version of SLX-OS we’ll be distributing for free to help prototype & test network design with the SLX. The code can be launched from any Linux KVM hypervisor, with
on VM acting as the management module and additional VMs acting as the line cards. Version 1.0 will be control-plane only, so you can use it to get a feel for the CLI or test scripting against the supported APIs. Version 2 should launch later this year and
will also include data-plane, so can prototype actual routing & switching scenarios virtually.<br>
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On 3/31/17, 9:49 AM, "foundry-nsp on behalf of Wilbur Smith" <<a href="mailto:foundry-nsp-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">foundry-nsp-bounces@puck. nether.net</a> on behalf of
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Hay Guys,<br>
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More info should be coming out on how this will all work, but the MLX, VDX, & SLX will be continued to be developed by Extreme because frankly…it’s better that what they currently have. The SLX is basically the replacement for the MLX (based on MLX & VDX
code) and Extreme needs that box. Both VDX & MLX have large install bases that generate revenue. Anyone acquiring those product lies wouldn’t kill them off because they need that revenue to pay down any debt used to finance the purchase; it doesn’t make financial
sense. All those products are also part of multi-year support contracts with the US Government (our largest customer), so Extreme or Arris couldn’t walk away from the products even if they wanted to.<br>
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I know…not the answer you wanted to hear (no one in Brocade wanted to be purchased either), but your account teams should have more info over the next few weeks.<br>
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On 3/31/17, 3:51 AM, "foundry-nsp on behalf of Jethro R Binks" <<a href="mailto:foundry-nsp-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">foundry-nsp-bounces@puck. nether.net</a> on behalf of
<a href="mailto:jethro.binks@strath.ac.uk" target="_blank">jethro.binks@strath.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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It is concerning that the edge has gone one way to Arris and the data<br>
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centre part to Extreme. What's going to happen to the code which they<br>
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have been gradually unifiying over all these years? Is it going to<br>
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fracture again? Or, probably unlikely, is that spun off separately and<br>
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will sell to both units? Or is there an agreement for one to maintain it<br>
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and the other to buy it in? Can't see how that could work. What branding<br>
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will be kept? What will happen to those relationships you've built up<br>
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with account managers and technical support?<br>
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Uncertain times, and I can't see a happy outcome with long-standing<br>
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Brocade/Foundry corporate customers who want both edge and core/dist/dc<br>
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equipment.<br>
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> Hi<br>
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> Just readed that Extreme Network bought MLX/VDX and SLX products from<br>
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> Brocade/Broadcom:<br>
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> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theregister.co.uk_2017_03_30_extreme-5Fnetworks-5Fto-5Fsplash-5F55m-5Fon-5Fbrocades-5Fdata-5Fcentre-5Fbiz_&d=DwICAg&c=IL_XqQWOjubgfqINi2jTzg&r=l86Fj-WC0GHHSCjQjuUvTzxOj0iW25AHL3VIC5Dog8o&m=LxPHGaJJz2a0asTjkuP6JoRl3HiltgsK1UokSVxBF6Y&s=Quv7QwdpoAUCH2BBkouOwRpgxEEWEHG4bgKZdW12cQI&e=" target="_blank">
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> invested a lot of time and money to deploy them in our network.<br>
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> I don't have any experiences with Extreme. Any thoughts ?<br>
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