Fw: auctions, ebay and heath list

[canfield]

Unless your a Judge or Lawyer, you need to be careful with the scare tactic
of calling something illegal! Your leaving yourself open to possible
trouble.

If illegal....then I recommend reading ebay's "sellers" tips.

Advertising an auction is illegal? Then there is a whole lot of illegal
activity in Newspapers, TV, internet, the web and radio!

I thought this list dealt with Heathkit...period! All this illegal and self
righteous talk needs to be taken to Lawyer.com !

signed,
The supposed guilty party

----- Original Message -----
From: Harvey A. Kader <optom at attglobal.net>
To: <HEATH at LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 7:28 AM
Subject: Trolling For Auctions


> A few points have to be made about what an AUCTION actually is. Once it
> is understood what an auction is, then the concept of ADVERTISING for
> that auction will become clear. This relates to this Heathkit list, and
> its MISUSE and ABUSE.
>
> The definition of auction is "the act or process of bidding". The
> definition of bidding is "a statement of what one will give or take for
> something - an offer of a price".
>
> An auction is NOT a department store. I think many people confuse the
> two. You can NOT give an item back after an auction. All sales are
> FINAL. Similarly, you can NOT advertise an auction LIKE a department
> store. You can NOT INFLUENCE the auction in any shape or form. You can
> NOT RIG the auction. All ILLEGAL activity.
>
> The presence of an auction CAN be advertised by the company running the
> auction(auction house), or by an individual running the auction for ALL
> the sellers. It is ILLEGAL for each individual seller in an auction to
> ADVERTISE his own item up for auction, and to PROMPT people in
> advertising with statements such as "three days to go", "one hour to
> go", or one minute to go". This is considered as UNDUE INFLUENCE in the
> bidding process, and is considered RIGGING the auction. Plainly ILLEGAL.
>
> An auction is a PROCESS, in the same way that voting in an election is a
> process. Once an auction is underway, then it CAN NOT be INFLUENCED.
> Using an election as an anology, candidates CAN advertise their
> positions PRIOR to the start of the vote. Once voting begins in an
> election, then it is ILLEGAL for candidates to go door to door saying
> "three hours to go", "two hours to go", or to advertise this fact while
> the voting is underway. This would be considered RIGGING the election,
> and UNDUE INFLUENCE.
>
> Similarly, it is ILLEGAL for an individual selling an item in an auction
> to go from house to house, or in this Heathkit list case, from list to
> list telling people about his/her item up for auction, and telling how
> much time remains. Again, this is RIGGING the auction. Let's keep this
> Heathkit list LEGAL. End of story.
>
> Harvey.
>
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