<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Thank you, Chris, for clearing this up for me about the MFC6030A voltage regulator by Motorola. Also, you are correct that the HP-1144 power supply had no crowbar to protect the transceiver included SB-634, SB-644A, and SB-614 through power chain links. The HP-1144A had an improved design including a crowbar circuit.<br><br>The price for MFC6030A went up crazy price at:<br><br><a href="https://store.americanmicrosemiconductor.com/mfc6030a.html">https://store.americanmicrosemiconductor.com/mfc6030a.html</a><br><br>Fortunately, my HP-1144 is working except for my concern with a pair of filter capacitors because the top terminals were not flat. I do not know if it is normal because I did not have another HP-1144 or HP-1144A for comparison. I plan to pull out both filter capacitors to test for leakage and find their capacitance range to ensure that they are ok or not. Secondly, I plan a test ripple from them and use my infrared image gun to see thermal reading for abnormal.<br><br>Nowadays, it has become more difficult to buy large capacitors because many companies are no longer in stock because of the pandemic incidents. All vendors jacked up the price into unreasonable costs for the replacement. That is why I got a switching power supply designed for the Ham radio system to replace the H-1144 in the SB-604 chassis. The advantage of the switching power supply is that it is much lighter in weight and smaller physically with a cooling fan. The device has built-in overvoltage and overcurrent protection with adjustable voltage and noise. The device is a TekPower TP30SWV 30 Amp DC 13.8V Digital Switching Power Supply with Noise Offset.<br><br>I know many Heathkit items need new parts replaced but are no longer available. So many Heathkit items posted on eBay could be around 90% not working while sellers want for hundred of dollars and said, they applied the power and it on. That is all. That was not correct how they tested the equipment before selling it to buyers. Can we buy a non-working car at a price that is supposed to be a working car? Of course, no! That problem with sellers and eBay. Fortunately, I have experience in electronics and can repair anything even if I have to change the design to replace non-available components.<br><br>It was not Heathkit's fault because they did not know what the future would be. The problem is electronic component manufacturers like Motorola, Texas Instruments, Emiac, and many others enjoy discontinuing the products and allow many people to cry and face jack up the prices as much as gold prices.<br><br>Thank you very much,<br>Steven<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM Chris Iwata <<a href="mailto:chrisiwata@aol.com">chrisiwata@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>When I mentioned restoring the SB104 that meant bringing it back
to as originally sold. No workarounds.</p>
<p>The MFC6030 voltage regulator IC in the SB104 is the same as in
the HP1144 power supply. On my SB104 it failed, and the one in the
power supply also failed. This is a 4 terminal regulator no
longer in production and only Motorola made it. I couldn't even
find an NTE replacement. ICs theoretically last almost forever,
but practically they don't. Ultimately I used a 7805K for the
SB104 and completely redid the power supply using a LM723
regulator.</p>
<p>The computer grade cap in the power supply used to be cheap as
surplus when computers used TTL ICs. but no more. The one in my
power supply failed also. The 1144 power supply I own had no
crowbar overvoltage protection, I added it myself. This was added
in 1144A version. This is very important if you want to protect
your SB104 from disastrous failure. <br>
</p>
<p>One final RF transistor blew. This happened from high VSWR.
Rather than buying a matched pair or quad, I redid the final to
use only 2 transistors at reduced wattage. <br>
</p>
<p>Chris, KL7DM<br>
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<div>On 9/22/2021 4:51 PM, Steven Feinsmith
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<div>First of all, both SB-104, SB-104A, and SB-230 are not
dying. The 2N6456 RF transistors have indeed become more
difficult to find nowadays. The greedy eBay sellers pumped
for around 100 dollars each. Of course, no one is buying 400
dollars. There is a big issue about whether a matched quads
may be impossible. I did mention in my previous message that
I should buy an old rig that uses the 2N6456.<br>
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<div>The same problem with SB-230 uses a 1KW tube that was no
longer stock and depleted from the vendor's inventory.<br>
Some Ham users use Russian-made microwave tubes to take over
with some modifications.<br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The front panels use a Panaplex display. It is a gas
discharge display that was very popular and easy to read.
There was a slight problem with the Panaplex because it
requires 180 volts to run the gas discharge. It tended to
give out some electrical noise. There are articles about
converting Panaplex to LED for both SB-634, station, and
SB-104A, transceiver.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now, I am working on a new PCB for the SB-104A display to
run with the LED instead of Panaplex.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The problem is with the new ham radio transceivers that
physically shrink a lot, but it had many features, such as
digital modes with USB ports. The amplifier tends to use
high-power transmitting tubes now as MOSFET. The price tag,
OUCH! I am poor as a retiree and earn a social security
retirement check every month.<br>
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<div>You mentioned voltage regulators. My SB-104A is running
fine as a licensed operation tested them. I checked
everything with my DMM/VTVM to ensure voltages are within
specification. Can you explain the details about the voltage
regulators. I also found my HP-1144 power supply seems to
have two filter capacitors that may need replacement. The
cost is crazy as I bought a switching power supply that
provides matched voltage and provides 30A instead of 20A
with overvoltage and overcurrent protection. The advantage
with the switching power supply was that it was very light
compared with a massive transformer's weight.</div>
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<div>Just try to keep Heathkit alive ahead of time!</div>
<div>Steven</div>
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<p>If you luck out and find some, bear in mind that you
have to buy matched pairs.</p>
<p>Theoretically, you have to buy matched quads. But
you can probably be OK with matched pairs</p>
<p>Expect to pay a premium, those stud mount RF
transistors haven't been made for at least 20 years. A
guess would be at least $50 each<br>
</p>
<p>Your best bet is to buy a junked SB104</p>
<p>The SB104 will become unrestorable due to
unavailability of the Final transistors, the Nixie
tubes, the Nixie driver IC, and the voltage regulator
IC. <br>
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<p>Chris, KL7DM</p>
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<div>On 9/22/2021 10:18 AM, ka9dzr--- via Heath wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">has
anyone fine any replacement finals for the
sb-104a yet tnx ka9dzr Dennis</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">I have learned that the 2n6456
final RF transistors are no longer available
and I NEED to replace the four (4) in a Heath
SB 104A. Has anyone found a suitable
replacement transistor for this application? I
have thoroughly checked with RF Parts and they
no longer stock those transistors.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Does anyone have experience
substituting the final transistors in the SB
104A? If so what did you use as a replacement
and do you know where they can be found?
Thanks and 73, John, K5PGW</div>
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