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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wouldn’t the tester be able to figure out packet discontinuities and re-ordering, without the STB’s help?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In terms of STB and network bugs, it would be nice to have some better transparency. Our DSLAM vendor, Calix, has a pretty nice Subscriber tab that shows all the multicast channels and IGMP requests that the STBs attached to the port have made. It would be nice to have a log of each IGMP message, and when the requested multicast stream does go, but it meets most of our needs today.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Frank<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Adam Palmblad [mailto:adam.palmblad@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> frnkblk@iname.com<br><b>Cc:</b> Glenn Short; iptv-users@puck.nether.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [iptv-users] JDSU tester<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It's possible to define what you want the probe to trigger on but it also depends on how capable the STB is. The main feature(if you ask me) is packet discontinuities and re-ordering(IP and MPEG) which is crucial when you looking for network problems. We have build an automatic system that sorts boxes correlated on network location and time to discover sources of error, saves A LOT of time. Besides we can fix errors before the costumers calls...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But thinks like CPU load, memory usage, channel usage, temperature, HDD space and so on is also possible to get continuously.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We like it a lot, I have found a lot of strange STB and network bugs with it. IE you see that one costumer changes channel meanwhile that channel stops on other STBs and voilá you pin pointed a possible IGMP misconfiguration or bug. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>//Adam<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2010/8/19 Frank Bulk - iName.com <<a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com">frnkblk@iname.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks. What kind of information does the STB send back? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Frank</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Adam Palmblad [mailto:<a href="mailto:adam.palmblad@gmail.com" target="_blank">adam.palmblad@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:43 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com" target="_blank">frnkblk@iname.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Glenn Short; <a href="mailto:iptv-users@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">iptv-users@puck.nether.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [iptv-users] JDSU tester<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Check the partner page on there site (<a href="http://agama.tv" target="_blank">agama.tv</a>), we use Motorola and Amino boxes which we paid the integration of. According to there technicians they can integrate to everything(not only STBs), I know a case when they couldn't but that was due to legal issues with the STB vendor.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>//Adam<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>2010/8/19 Frank Bulk - iName.com <<a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com" target="_blank">frnkblk@iname.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If you can’t look inside the video stream because of encryption issues then that will help direct you to an appropriate tool. No use paying for all the L7 stuff if you only have L3/4 to work with.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Which STBs does it integrate with? I’m highly suspect of vendor claims in this area, because the chance that one’s environment matches up such that you can actually take advantage of it is slim.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Frank</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Adam Palmblad [mailto:<a href="mailto:adam.palmblad@gmail.com" target="_blank">adam.palmblad@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com" target="_blank">frnkblk@iname.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Glenn Short; <a href="mailto:iptv-users@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">iptv-users@puck.nether.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [iptv-users] JDSU tester<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Afaik there's no encryption that ruins the whole IP packet so IP information can always be analyzed(i.e packet loss and reordering), which I see as the most important part if you also monitor the distribution before the IP network.But Agama support DVB encryption and can analyze streams with that, I think that they have support for some non dvb encryptions as well.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>They also have STB integrations which makes it possible for STBs to continuous send back quality data, it's really great. Depending on STB this can be done after the stream is encrypted.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>//Adam<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>2010/8/18 Frank Bulk <<a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com" target="_blank">frnkblk@iname.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>How does it deal with encrypted content?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We’ve budgeted for equipment the last few years, but never purchased. A large part of the reason is that the problem is very, very infrequently the video stream, but most often the last mile. And we can know that by looking at the DSLAM port stats, for free.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Frank</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:iptv-users-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">iptv-users-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:iptv-users-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">iptv-users-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Glenn Short<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 16, 2010 2:16 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:iptv-users@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">iptv-users@puck.nether.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [iptv-users] JDSU tester</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I had a salesman demo a JDSU TB4000T tester with the C4000-IPTV software in it . This would be used for testing our digital signal and troubleshooting issues. Has anyone on the list tried this unit? It has the Wireshark program and allows you to view the video on its screen. Looking for recommendations or alternatives to this unit. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Glenn Short, General Manager<br>Lost Nation - Elwood Telephone Company<br>Lost Nation, Iowa<br><a href="mailto:glenns@LNEtelco.com" target="_blank">glenns@LNEtelco.com</a><br>563-678-2470 Office<br>563-593-1382 Cell<br><a href="http://www.LNETelco.com/" target="_blank">http://www.LNETelco.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>iptv-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:iptv-users@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">iptv-users@puck.nether.net</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>