[j-nsp] network engineering

Matthias Gelbhardt matthias at commy.de
Sat Feb 28 01:45:48 EST 2009


Hi!

That seens to be not working (From datacenter, from home dsl that  
works)q:

traceroute to amazon.de (87.238.81.130), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
  1  91.190.227.17 (91.190.227.17)  0.160 ms  0.279 ms *
  2  * * *
  3  * * *
  4  * * *
  5  * * *
  6  * * *
  7  * * *
  8  * * *
  9  www.amazon.de (87.238.81.130)  32.351 ms  32.317 ms  32.283 ms

Regards,

Matthias

Am 28.02.2009 um 02:31 schrieb Ben Steele:

> Hi,
>
> re: www.stern.de
>
> It is a miracle your home DSL traceroute actually responds to all  
> hops, the one you see that is timing out is an RFC1918 private  
> address and will normally be filtered by your provider/yourself on  
> your border links, this is intended behavior.
>
> re: amazon.de
>
> There is a hop before the actual amazon webserver that doesn't  
> respond to icmp/udp traceroute and you are probably just finding  
> different hop lengths from your 2 comparisons there, so still quite  
> normal.
>
> What I recommend is you get a utility called tcptraceroute - this  
> will allow you to perform the traceroute on a port you know is open  
> (ie tcp 80) and you will get something like this:
>
> server ~ # tcptraceroute amazon.de 80
> Selected device eth0, address x.x.x.x, port 58312 for outgoing packets
> Tracing the path to amazon.de (87.238.81.130) on TCP port 80 (http),  
> 30 hops max
>
> Hops 1-6 removed...
>
>  7  ge-6-20.car3.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.71.112.85)  189.897 ms   
> 189.846 ms  189.848 ms
>  8  vlan79.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.18.126)  229.882 ms   
> 231.807 ms  234.861 ms
>  9  ae-74-74.ebr4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.134.245)  189.781 ms   
> 196.520 ms  198.752 ms
> 10  ae-2.ebr4.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.135.186)  259.765 ms   
> 269.592 ms  257.743 ms
> 11  ae-64-64.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.114)  258.778 ms   
> 268.645 ms  270.720 ms
> 12  ae-61-61.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.65)  258.779 ms   
> 258.460 ms  258.737 ms
> 13  ae-41-41.ebr2.London1.Level3.net (4.69.137.65)  337.749 ms   
> 340.710 ms  328.349 ms
> 14  ae-1-100.ebr1.London1.Level3.net (4.69.132.117)  334.649 ms   
> 340.685 ms  328.743 ms
> 15  ae-5-5.car1.Dublin1.Level3.net (4.69.136.89)  372.728 ms   
> 372.684 ms  372.727 ms
> 16  213.242.106.86  372.749 ms  372.125 ms  371.732 ms
> 17  87.238.85.13  340.757 ms  342.057 ms  341.750 ms
> 18  www.amazon.de (87.238.81.130) [open]  339.757 ms  340.700 ms   
> 341.700 ms
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ben
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Matthias Gelbhardt  
> <matthias at commy.de> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Sorry for bringing this up again, but something bothers me.
>
> On several targets the traceroute or mtr is not going through clean,  
> whereas on my home dsl line it is. I thought about, that every  
> target where we have asymmetric routing is behaving like this, but  
> if you say, asymmetric routing is something completely normal, than  
> the reason, why the mtr is not going through clean, has to be  
> something different?
>
> For example a trace to www.stern.de (german newspaper) from our  
> datacenter
>
>  1. 91.190.227.17                 0.0%     5    0.3   0.6   0.2    
> 1.9   0.7
>  2. ge-00.cr1.ems.dlrz.net        0.0%     5   19.2  23.3  19.2   
> 27.7   3.9
>  3. ge-00-508.tc2.ams.dlrz.net    0.0%     5    4.6   4.8   4.5    
> 5.5   0.4
>  4. dus002isp005.versatel.de      0.0%     5    6.5   6.5   6.2    
> 7.1   0.4
>  5. 10g-9-3.dor002isp006.versate  0.0%     5    7.0   6.8   6.6    
> 7.0   0.1
>  6. 10ge-9-4.dor002isp005.versat  0.0%     5    7.8  10.7   6.4   
> 26.0   8.6
>  7. 10g-8-4.hhb002isp005.versate  0.0%     5   16.4  13.3  12.3   
> 16.4   1.7
>  8. hhb2guj.versatel.de           0.0%     5   12.3  12.7  12.3   
> 13.0   0.3
>  9. ???                          100.0     5    0.0   0.0   0.0    
> 0.0   0.0
>  10. lb-guj-www-04-6.net-hh.guj.d  0.0%     5   12.2  13.0  12.2   
> 13.9   0.6
>  11. www.stern.de                  0.0%     5   12.6  13.0  12.6   
> 13.5   0.4
>
> and from my home dsl line
>
>  1. port-87-193-164-97.static.qs  0.0%     5    0.3   0.3   0.3    
> 0.4   0.1
>  2. bsn2.mun.qsc.de               0.0%     5   24.5  25.1  24.5   
> 26.6   0.8
>  3. core1.mun.qsc.de              0.0%     5   25.4  26.0  25.4   
> 26.9   0.6
>  4. core4.dus.qsc.de              0.0%     5   29.6  29.5  28.6   
> 30.3   0.6
>  5. core1.dus.qsc.de              0.0%     5   38.5  35.8  28.8   
> 53.6  10.8
>  6. core2.dus.qsc.de              0.0%     5   31.0  29.2  28.1   
> 31.0   1.2
>  7. peergw2-hansenet.dus.qsc.de   0.0%     5   29.0  29.1  28.6   
> 30.4   0.7
>  8. ae0-101.cr02.dus.de.hansenet  0.0%     5   28.1  33.7  28.1   
> 52.4  10.5
>  9. so-1-0-0-0.cr02.weham.de.han  0.0%     5   35.3  35.3  34.5   
> 36.4   0.8
>  10. gi0-0-0.er03.asham.de.hansen  0.0%     5   34.6  34.8  33.6   
> 37.7   1.7
>  11. 62.109.127.129                0.0%     5   33.9  35.7  33.9   
> 37.9   1.7
>  12. 10.200.100.18                 0.0%     5   34.5  35.3  34.5   
> 36.6   0.8
>  13. lb-guj-www-04-4.net-hh.guj.d  0.0%     5   41.5  36.8  35.2   
> 41.5   2.7
>  14. www.stern.de                  0.0%     5   35.4  35.0  34.5   
> 35.4   0.4
>
> Out of the datacenter, there is a hole at position 9. And that is  
> something, we habe rather often:
>
> To amazon.de from datacenter:
>
>  1. 91.190.227.17                 0.0%     5    0.3   0.7   0.3    
> 1.9   0.7
>  2. ge-00.cr1.ems.dlrz.net        0.0%     5   26.9  24.7  21.7   
> 28.8   3.1
>  3. gi9-47.228.ccr01.dus01.atlas  0.0%     5    3.9   3.8   3.6    
> 4.0   0.2
>  4. te7-2.mpd02.fra03.atlas.coge  0.0%     5    7.5   8.4   7.3   
> 11.9   2.0
>  5. vl3491.mpd01.fra03.atlas.cog  0.0%     5   18.9   9.5   6.9   
> 18.9   5.2
>  6. ???                          100.0     5    0.0   0.0   0.0    
> 0.0   0.0
>
> from dsl:
>
>  1. port-87-193-164-97.static.qs  0.0%     5    0.2   0.4   0.2    
> 0.7   0.2
>  2. bsn2.mun.qsc.de               0.0%     5   25.6  31.9  24.9   
> 55.0  13.0
>  3. core1.mun.qsc.de              0.0%     5   25.2  24.8  24.3   
> 25.4   0.5
>  4. core4.dus.qsc.de              0.0%     5   29.7  31.9  29.5   
> 41.0   5.1
>  5. core1.dus.qsc.de              0.0%     5   28.4  35.1  28.1   
> 61.5  14.8
>  6. 212.162.17.169                0.0%     5   30.3  28.9  27.9   
> 30.3   0.9
>  7. ae-32-56.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Le  0.0%     5   43.9  38.0  33.1   
> 43.9   4.4
>  8. ae-42.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3  0.0%     5   44.8  39.4  32.7   
> 44.8   5.1
>  9. ae-45-105.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Le  0.0%     5   36.7  36.4  32.2   
> 45.4   5.4
>  10. ae-2.ebr2.London1.Level3.net  0.0%     5   40.2  43.7  39.7   
> 50.0   4.9
>  11. ae-1-100.ebr1.London1.Level3  0.0%     5   51.6  49.6  43.1   
> 58.2   6.1
>  12. ae-5-5.car1.Dublin1.Level3.n  0.0%     5   50.9  53.0  50.8   
> 61.3   4.6
>  13. ???                          100.0     5    0.0   0.0   0.0    
> 0.0   0.0
>
> What is happening here? (The fact, that amazon is blocking packets  
> is not the issue. It is, that I am lacking a network, that the  
> packets are going through).
>
> At the moment we have 4 transits and a router facing the AMS-IX. At  
> the moment, we have configured our routers rather open. So packets  
> may received on one transit and are send out on another.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
> Am 06.02.2009 um 11:29 schrieb Mark Tinka:
>
>
> On Friday 06 February 2009 05:09:30 pm Matthias Gelbhardt
> wrote:
>
> We have asymmetric routing in several cases. I would like
> to know, how you would deal against that?
>
> The moment you're multi-homed to the Internet, asymmetric
> routing is a fact of life; and it's not really a bad thing.
>
> How traffic leaves or enters a network is a function of best
> path dynamics vs. cost and bandwidth available. And this
> goes for both your network and the others on the Internet
> (including your upstreams/peers).
>
> Maximizing capacity and cost efficiency is an on-going
> exercise for any network engineer running a BGP network. The
> individual dynamics usually vary from network to network.
>
> Monitoring flows is a good way to find out how best to
> engineer your traffic.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark.
>
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