[j-nsp] load balancing in Route reflector scenario

Thu Aug 11 11:34:22 EDT 2011

Hi All,

My be this info will help understand!!

Juniper - Default Administrative Distance - preference

Direct/Local :             0
Static :             5
RSVP :                 7  Resource Reservation Protocol
LDP :                 9   Label Distribution Protocol
OSPF internal route :         10
IS-IS Level 1 internal route :     15
IS-IS Level 2 internal route :     18
Default :             20
RIP :                 100
RIPng :             100
PIM :                 105
DVMRP :             110
Aggregate routes:         130
OSPF AS external routes :     150
IS-IS Level 1 external route :     160
IS-IS Level 2 external route :     165
BGP :                 170
MSDP:                 175

Cisco - Default Administrative Distance
Routing Source                 Administrative Distance
Connected interface or static route
that identifies the outgoing interface
rather than the next hop        0
Static route                 1
EIGRP summary route             5
External BGP                 20
EIGRP                     90
IGRP                     100
OSPF                     110
RIP                     120
External EIGRP                 170
Internal BGP                 200
An unknown network             255 or infinity

 Cheers,
Dusan

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Harry Reynolds <harry at juniper.net> wrote:

> Juniper does not have a specific preference for ebgp vs ibgp. The active
> route selection process does prefer e over i, so in that regard IOS and JUNI
> are the same.
>
> Where in my message did I say "IBGP"? I was referring to an EBGP route vs
> an OSPF/IGP route.  In which case the cisco will select the EBGP, and
> readvertise it downstream, while a JUNI will select the ospf version, and
> therefore, by default, not readvertise the BGP version.
>
> As such placing a juni into that spot results in a different set of bgp
> route advertisements, which again, stem from different global route
> preference.
>
> "I can rest assure you that this was not the main intention of this knob
> :)"
>
> Your statement above is incorrect. This is the intended use of the knob.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert at raszuk.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:29 PM
> To: Harry Reynolds
> Cc: Keegan Holley; juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] load balancing in Route reflector scenario
>
> Hi Harry,
>
>  > default, differences in route preference cause a JUNI to prefer an  >
> IGP route while ios prefer the bgp routs over IGP.
>
> Let's make a clear distinction between preferring eBGP route versus iBGP
> route. Talking CSCO here eBGP admin distance is as you say 20 while iBGP as
> even the URL provided by yourself says it is 200.
>
> So keeping in mind that usually hot potato routing is a desired behaviour
> preferring EBGP learned path is highly recommended for a given prefix.
>
> If you say that JUNI is to prefer IGP route over BGP one I am sure you must
> be referring to IBGP and not EBGP, but this is exactly the same in both
> vendors.
>
>  > W/o this knob replacing a cisco with a juniper can result in  >
> previously advertised bgp routes no longer being advertised.
>
> I can rest assure you that this was not the main intention of this knob :)
>
> Cheers,
> R.
>
>
>
>
> > I always thought that advertise-inactive was to make a juniper act
> > like a cisco with regard to BGP route announcements, when, by default,
> > differences in route preference cause a JUNI to prefer an IGP route
> > while ios prefer the bgp routs over IGP.
> >
> > In junos, only the active route is readvertised/subject to export
> > policy. With advertise-inactive you can make a juniper router, whose
> > active route is an IGP route, advertise into BGP the "best bgp path",
> > which here is inactive due to the igp route being preferred.
> >
> > W/o this knob replacing a cisco with a juniper can result in
> > previously advertised bgp routes no longer being advertised.
> >
> > From:
> > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a0080
> > 094823.shtml
> >
> >  eBGP  20
> >
> > . . .
> >
> > OSPF  110
> >
> >
> > From:
> > http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/junos/junos64/swconfig64-rout
> > ing/html/protocols-overview4.html
> >
> >  OSPF internal route  10
> >
> > IS-IS Level 1 internal route 15  . . .
> >
> > BGP 170
> >
> > HTHS.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net
> > [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Keegan
> > Holley Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:48 PM To:
> > robert at raszuk.net Cc: juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net Subject: Re:
> > [j-nsp] load balancing in Route reflector scenario
> >
> > 2011/8/10 Robert Raszuk<robert at raszuk.net>
> >
> >> Hi Keegan,
> >>
> >>
> >> I think the advertise inactive knob turns that off, but I don't know
> >> for
> >>> sure because I've never tried it.  I know it's not supported on
> >>> cisco routers.  The reason for it is the size of the BGP table.
> >>> So if the table is 400k routes and you have 5 different ISP's and
> >>> you advertise every route that would be 2M routes in the table.
> >>> Since BGP doesn't allow multiple version of the same route in the
> >>> routing table (separate from the BGP table where incoming routes are
> >>> stored) you would still only use the original 400K the other 1.8M
> >>> routes would just go unused unless you manipulated them some how.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Advertise inactive is not about what get's advertised - it is about
> >> if the best path is advertised or not. And if is decided based on the
> >> check if the BGP path to be advertised is inserted in the RIB/FIB or
> >> not.
> >>
> >
> > Oh I see.  I have never used that command so thanks.  Most of the
> > above example was what would happen if BGP advertised everything it
> > learned instead of just the best path or the path in the routing table
> > btw.
> >
> >>
> >> By default Junos and IOS-XR advertise only those best path in BGP
> >> which actually are installed into forwarding. Advertising inactive
> >> knob will overwrite it.
> >>
> >
> > Wouldn't this lead to traffic being blackholed?  If all the routes for
> > a given destination are inactive would this still cause BGP to
> > advertise a route for them?
> >
> >>
> >> IOS classic/XE (for historical reasons) advertises all best paths
> >> from BGP table and to enforce it not to advertise what has not been
> >> installed into RIB/FIB there is knob called "suppress inactive".
> >>
> >> Cheers, R.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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