[j-nsp] MX5-T-DC vs MX80-5G-DC-B

[Jonas Frey (Probe Networks)]

Hello,


> Hi all,
> 
>    these codes are basically the same, both are MX80 based devices with a
> MIC 1x20GE (all mics are commercially called 3D, no difference here)
> already installed in one of the two available slots. On MX5 (and in the
> commercial bundle MX80-5) the 20x1G MIC is the only card available to
> connect the MX to the network, as the on board 10GE ports are software
> restricted and not configurable.

That is not true. The ports are configurable and usable. But you need a
license to be allowed to use them. The license is just paperwork and you
dont need to activate it somewhere. However this policy will change in
the future, all MX5/10/40 bundles and line cards are EEPROM coded and a
later JunOS will activate these limitations (ask your channel partner
about this...).

> 
> So, the two differences are:
> 
> 1) the MX5 is a chassis which is phisically grey and you can read MX5 on
> the front panel, whereas MX80-5-DC-B is a commercial bundle based on a MX80
> chassis; the commercial bundle was needed to have a faster go to market
> time schedule, that's it; of course, MX5 chassis (and MX10 & MX40) are
> exactly an MX80, just the color and the label on the front panel change;
> 2) the "T" versions (all the T versions, MX5, 10,40 and also MX80-T)
> supports Sync-E according with G.8261 / G.8262 standards;

No, we have multiple MX5/MX10 boxes and none of them have any visual
difference to a "real" MX80. If they changed this in the last 2 months,
then this must be new.

> 
> 1) is just commercial, whereas 2) is a technical difference.
> 
> Both models are field upgradable to MX10, MX40 and MX80 using the same
> licensing scheme. If you need MX5 now, my advice is to go with the bundle
> as the real MX5 will ship end of this year (11.2R4/11.4R1 time frame).
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Magno.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Paul Stewart <paul at paulstewart.org> wrote:
> 
> > There are bundles and then there are "base units".  The bundles typically
> > include the MIC-3D-20GE-SFP - there were no MIC's that I'm aware of that
> > weren't 3D ... definitely not on the MX80 platform.  Yes, MX5 is
> > modular....
> > it's physically the same as an MX80 box, just with software based
> > restrictions in place (which unless it's changed are honor system based
> > still) as noted by "4x10G fixed ports and 1x front empty MIC slot
> > restricted" .. restricted = not usable without software upgrade.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net
> > [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Wormington
> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:22 PM
> > To: sthaug at nethelp.no
> > Cc: juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net
> > Subject: Re: [j-nsp] MX5-T-DC vs MX80-5G-DC-B
> >
> > I agree the specs look to be the same, the only difference I can see is the
> > MX5 says it includes a MIC-3D-20GE-SFP and the MX80 a 20x1G MIC.
> > Did they make a MIC that wasn't 3D?
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the MX5 is modular as well since it has the open MIC slot
> > that you can get an upgrade license to be able to use.
> >
> > On 11/18/2011 01:37 PM, sthaug at nethelp.no wrote:
> > >> The T version is copper only. The DC version is modular.
> > >
> > > Certain about this? In my price list (from August), these bundles are
> > > listed with exactly the same price.
> > >
> > > MX80-5G-DC-B:
> > > MX80 Promotional 5G Bundle, Includes MX80 Modular DC, spare DC Power
> > > supply, 20x1G MIC including L3-ADV license, Queuing, Inline Jflow,
> > > Junos WW. (4x10G fixed ports and 1x front empty MIC slot restricted)
> > >
> > >
> > > MX5-T-DC:
> > > MX5 DC chassis with timing support - includes dual power supplies,
> > > MIC-3D-20GE-SFP, Junos, S-MX80-ADV-R, S-MX80-Q&  S-ACCT-JFLOW-IN-5G
> > > licenses. Power-supply cable to be ordered separately
> > >
> > > Sure looks to me like the specifications are the same too.
> > >
> > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug at nethelp.no
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Nov 18, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Kevin Wormington wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'm looking at the above two MX bundles and other than timing support on
> > the MX5 they seem to have the same specs.  Is there something that I'm
> > missing?  Does anyone on the list know why one might want the MX80-5G-DC-B
> > vs the MX5-T-DC?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >>
> > >> Kevin
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