[j-nsp] MX5-T-DC vs MX80-5G-DC-B

Sat Nov 19 16:36:30 EST 2011

Quote:
That is not true. The ports are configurable and usable. But you need a
license to be allowed to use them. The license is just paperwork and you
dont need to activate it somewhere. However this policy will change in
the future, all MX5/10/40 bundles and line cards are EEPROM coded and a
later JunOS will activate these limitations (ask your channel partner
about this...).

Magno: True for today Junos, but as Juniper has the rights to lock these
ports it is not safe to use them for production. Of course, today all the
licenses (but the Subscriber management) are honor based but this will
change in the future for sure, so my advice is not to rely too much on this
approach because as soon as you upgrade the box to a future release you may
lose these ports. The license enforcer software is already in Junos, just
not used today.

Quote: 'No, we have multiple MX5/MX10 boxes and none of them have any visual
difference to a "real" MX80. If they changed this in the last 2 months,
then this must be new."

Magno: Yes, correct just because you have vanilla MX80s which were sold
just using a commercial bundle (basically the ones sold using the part
number MX80-5*/MX80-10*/MX80-40*) . MX5/10/40 chassis will ship starting
with JUNOS 11.4R1, so end of 2011/beginning of 2012. Of course, as I stated
before, there are no practical differences between the current chassis and
the new ones.

Quote: "MPCx and MPCxE difference also should be same, better oscillator for
PPT. (and supposedly 256M->512M FIB, i.e. 2M -> 4M routes or so)."

Magno: This is not 100% correct. It's correct about the oscillator, but not
about the memory. The only actual benefit coming from the memory upgrade
(256 mbytes to 512 mbytes) is about mobile users for the MobileNext
platform. Prefixes/nexthops are stored elsewhere; nevertheless the current
2.4M FIB IPv4 prefixes supported today will be increased by new features
such as FIB localization, to name just one.

Hope this helps.

Magno.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Jonas Frey (Probe Networks) <
jf at probe-networks.de> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> >    these codes are basically the same, both are MX80 based devices with a
> > MIC 1x20GE (all mics are commercially called 3D, no difference here)
> > already installed in one of the two available slots. On MX5 (and in the
> > commercial bundle MX80-5) the 20x1G MIC is the only card available to
> > connect the MX to the network, as the on board 10GE ports are software
> > restricted and not configurable.
>
> That is not true. The ports are configurable and usable. But you need a
> license to be allowed to use them. The license is just paperwork and you
> dont need to activate it somewhere. However this policy will change in
> the future, all MX5/10/40 bundles and line cards are EEPROM coded and a
> later JunOS will activate these limitations (ask your channel partner
> about this...).
>
> >
> > So, the two differences are:
> >
> > 1) the MX5 is a chassis which is phisically grey and you can read MX5 on
> > the front panel, whereas MX80-5-DC-B is a commercial bundle based on a
> MX80
> > chassis; the commercial bundle was needed to have a faster go to market
> > time schedule, that's it; of course, MX5 chassis (and MX10 & MX40) are
> > exactly an MX80, just the color and the label on the front panel change;
> > 2) the "T" versions (all the T versions, MX5, 10,40 and also MX80-T)
> > supports Sync-E according with G.8261 / G.8262 standards;
>
> No, we have multiple MX5/MX10 boxes and none of them have any visual
> difference to a "real" MX80. If they changed this in the last 2 months,
> then this must be new.
>
> >
> > 1) is just commercial, whereas 2) is a technical difference.
> >
> > Both models are field upgradable to MX10, MX40 and MX80 using the same
> > licensing scheme. If you need MX5 now, my advice is to go with the bundle
> > as the real MX5 will ship end of this year (11.2R4/11.4R1 time frame).
> > Hope this helps!
> >
> > Magno.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Paul Stewart <paul at paulstewart.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > There are bundles and then there are "base units".  The bundles
> typically
> > > include the MIC-3D-20GE-SFP - there were no MIC's that I'm aware of
> that
> > > weren't 3D ... definitely not on the MX80 platform.  Yes, MX5 is
> > > modular....
> > > it's physically the same as an MX80 box, just with software based
> > > restrictions in place (which unless it's changed are honor system based
> > > still) as noted by "4x10G fixed ports and 1x front empty MIC slot
> > > restricted" .. restricted = not usable without software upgrade.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net
> > > [mailto:juniper-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Wormington
> > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:22 PM
> > > To: sthaug at nethelp.no
> > > Cc: juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net
> > > Subject: Re: [j-nsp] MX5-T-DC vs MX80-5G-DC-B
> > >
> > > I agree the specs look to be the same, the only difference I can see
> is the
> > > MX5 says it includes a MIC-3D-20GE-SFP and the MX80 a 20x1G MIC.
> > > Did they make a MIC that wasn't 3D?
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure the MX5 is modular as well since it has the open MIC
> slot
> > > that you can get an upgrade license to be able to use.
> > >
> > > On 11/18/2011 01:37 PM, sthaug at nethelp.no wrote:
> > > >> The T version is copper only. The DC version is modular.
> > > >
> > > > Certain about this? In my price list (from August), these bundles are
> > > > listed with exactly the same price.
> > > >
> > > > MX80-5G-DC-B:
> > > > MX80 Promotional 5G Bundle, Includes MX80 Modular DC, spare DC Power
> > > > supply, 20x1G MIC including L3-ADV license, Queuing, Inline Jflow,
> > > > Junos WW. (4x10G fixed ports and 1x front empty MIC slot restricted)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MX5-T-DC:
> > > > MX5 DC chassis with timing support - includes dual power supplies,
> > > > MIC-3D-20GE-SFP, Junos, S-MX80-ADV-R, S-MX80-Q&  S-ACCT-JFLOW-IN-5G
> > > > licenses. Power-supply cable to be ordered separately
> > > >
> > > > Sure looks to me like the specifications are the same too.
> > > >
> > > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug at nethelp.no
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Nov 18, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Kevin Wormington wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm looking at the above two MX bundles and other than timing
> support on
> > > the MX5 they seem to have the same specs.  Is there something that I'm
> > > missing?  Does anyone on the list know why one might want the
> MX80-5G-DC-B
> > > vs the MX5-T-DC?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks
> > > >>
> > > >> Kevin
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