[j-nsp] VPN tunnel between OpenSwan and SRX220
Phil Fagan
philfagan at gmail.com
Wed Aug 7 11:57:40 EDT 2013
try turning up your IKE debug on the SRX to help expose more:
>request security ike debug-enable local <addr> remote <addr> level 15
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Laurent CARON <lcaron at unix-scripts.info>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to establish a VPN tunnel between a SRX220 and an OpenSwan box.
>
> SRX is:
> Model: srx220h
> JUNOS Software Release [12.1X44-D20.3]
>
> OpenSwan: 2.6.37
>
> Both are currently hooked on a test LAN.
>
> 192.168.0.18 = openswan box on lan
> 192.168.0.120 = juniper box on lan
>
> 172.31.254.41 = ipsec on juniper box
> 172.31.254.27 = ipsec on openswan box
>
> 172.31.255.27 = loopback on juniper box
>
> Not relevant for now:
> 10.254.2.33 = gre tunnel on openswan side
> 10.254.2.34 = gre tunnel on juniper side
>
> Here is the config on the Juniper side:
>
> set interfaces ge-0/0/0 mtu 1514
> set interfaces ge-0/0/0 unit 0 family inet address 192.168.0.120/24
>
> set interfaces gr-0/0/0 unit 0 tunnel source 172.31.254.41
> set interfaces gr-0/0/0 unit 0 tunnel destination 172.31.254.27
> set interfaces gr-0/0/0 unit 0 family inet address 10.254.2.34/32
>
> set interfaces lo0 unit 0 family inet address 172.31.255.41/32
>
> set interfaces st0 unit 0 family inet address 172.31.254.41/32
>
> set interfaces vlan unit 0 family inet address 192.168.123.1/24
>
> set routing-options static route 172.31.254.27/32 next-hop st0.0
>
> set security ike traceoptions file vpn-debug-ike
> set security ike traceoptions flag all
>
> set security ike proposal ike_aes_128 authentication-method pre-shared-keys
>
> set security ike proposal ike_aes_128 dh-group group2
> set security ike proposal ike_aes_128 authentication-algorithm sha1
> set security ike proposal ike_aes_128 encryption-algorithm 3des-cbc
> set security ike proposal ike_aes_128 lifetime-seconds 3600
>
> set security ike policy phase1_aes_128 mode main
> set security ike policy phase1_aes_128 proposals ike_aes_128
> set security ike policy phase1_aes_128 pre-shared-key ascii-text "pwd"
>
> set security ike gateway RTR-SIEGE-001 ike-policy phase1_aes_128
> set security ike gateway RTR-SIEGE-001 address 192.168.0.18
> set security ike gateway RTR-SIEGE-001 no-nat-traversal
> set security ike gateway RTR-SIEGE-001 external-interface ge-0/0/0.0
>
> set security ipsec proposal ipsec_aes_128 protocol esp
> set security ipsec proposal ipsec_aes_128 authentication-algorithm
> hmac-sha1-96
>
> set security ipsec proposal ipsec_aes_128 encryption-algorithm 3des-cbc
> set security ipsec proposal ipsec_aes_128 lifetime-seconds 3600
>
> set security ipsec policy phase2_aes_128 proposals ipsec_aes_128
>
> set security ipsec vpn VPN_TO_SIEGE-001 bind-interface st0.0
> set security ipsec vpn VPN_TO_SIEGE-001 ike gateway RTR-SIEGE-001
> set security ipsec vpn VPN_TO_SIEGE-001 ike proxy-identity local
> 172.31.254.41/32
> set security ipsec vpn VPN_TO_SIEGE-001 ike proxy-identity remote
> 172.31.254.27/32
> set security ipsec vpn VPN_TO_SIEGE-001 ike proxy-identity service any
> set security ipsec vpn VPN_TO_SIEGE-001 ike ipsec-policy phase2_aes_128
> set security ipsec vpn VPN_TO_SIEGE-001 establish-tunnels immediately
>
> set security flow traceoptions file vpn-debug
> set security flow traceoptions flag basic-datapath
> set security flow traceoptions flag packet-drops
>
> set security flow tcp-mss ipsec-vpn mss 1412
>
>
> Here is the config on the OpenSwan side:
>
> conn rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001
> left=192.168.0.18
> leftsubnet=172.31.254.27/32
> leftsourceip=172.31.254.27
> right=192.168.0.120
> rightsubnet=172.31.254.41/32
> rightsourceip=172.31.254.41
> ike=3des-sha1
> auth=esp
> keyingtries=0
> keyexchange=ike
> authby=secret
> compress=no
> auto=start
> pfs=no
> mtu=1412
>
> The connection establishes fine but drops 10 seconds after and is
> renegociated, then drops again, endlessly.
>
> I do have those logs on the openswan side):
> Aug 6 17:42:42 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: added connection description
> "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #6: initiating Main Mode
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #6: received Vendor ID payload [Dead Peer Detection]
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #6: ignoring unknown Vendor ID payload [**699369228741c6d4ca094c93e242c9**
> de19e7b7c60000000500000500]
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #6: transition from state STATE_MAIN_I1 to state STATE_MAIN_I2
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #6: STATE_MAIN_I2: sent MI2, expecting MR2
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #6: transition from state STATE_MAIN_I2 to state STATE_MAIN_I3
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #6: STATE_MAIN_I3: sent MI3, expecting MR3
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #6: Main mode peer ID is ID_IPV4_ADDR: '192.168.0.120'
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #6: transition from state STATE_MAIN_I3 to state STATE_MAIN_I4
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #6: STATE_MAIN_I4: ISAKMP SA established {auth=OAKLEY_PRESHARED_KEY
> cipher=oakley_3des_cbc_192 prf=oakley_sha group=modp1024}
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #11: initiating Quick Mode PSK+ENCRYPT+TUNNEL+IKEv2ALLOW+**SAREFTRACK
> {using isakmp#6 msgid:5db2c253 proposal=defaults pfsgroup=no-pfs}
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #11: ignoring informational payload, type IPSEC_RESPONDER_LIFETIME
> msgid=5db2c253
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #11: transition from state STATE_QUICK_I1 to state STATE_QUICK_I2
> Aug 6 17:42:43 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #11: STATE_QUICK_I2: sent QI2, IPsec SA established tunnel mode
> {ESP=>0x37d4048d <0xfd3420ac xfrm=3DES_0-HMAC_SHA1 NATOA=none NATD=none
> DPD=none}
> Aug 6 17:44:12 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: responding to Main Mode
> Aug 6 17:44:12 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: transition from state STATE_MAIN_R0 to state STATE_MAIN_R1
> Aug 6 17:44:12 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: STATE_MAIN_R1: sent MR1, expecting MI2
> Aug 6 17:44:12 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: transition from state STATE_MAIN_R1 to state STATE_MAIN_R2
> Aug 6 17:44:12 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: STATE_MAIN_R2: sent MR2, expecting MI3
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: ignoring informational payload, type IPSEC_INITIAL_CONTACT
> msgid=00000000
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: Main mode peer ID is ID_IPV4_ADDR: '192.168.0.120'
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: transition from state STATE_MAIN_R2 to state STATE_MAIN_R3
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: STATE_MAIN_R3: sent MR3, ISAKMP SA established
> {auth=OAKLEY_PRESHARED_KEY cipher=oakley_3des_cbc_192 prf=oakley_sha
> group=modp1024}
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: the peer proposed: 172.31.254.27/32:0/0 -> 172.31.254.41/32:0/0
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #32: responding to Quick Mode proposal {msgid:b498ed1f}
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #32: us: 172.31.254.27/32===192.168.0.**18<http://172.31.254.27/32===192.168.0.18>
> <192.168.0.18>[+S=C]
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #32: them: 192.168.0.120<192.168.0.120>[+**S=C]===172.31.254.41/32
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #32: keeping refhim=4294901761 during rekey
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #32: transition from state STATE_QUICK_R0 to state STATE_QUICK_R1
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #32: STATE_QUICK_R1: sent QR1, inbound IPsec SA installed, expecting QI2
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #32: transition from state STATE_QUICK_R1 to state STATE_QUICK_R2
> Aug 6 17:44:13 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #32: STATE_QUICK_R2: IPsec SA established tunnel mode {ESP=>0x9f4be933
> <0xa1521a06 xfrm=3DES_0-HMAC_SHA1 NATOA=none NATD=none DPD=none}
> Aug 6 17:45:07 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #31: the peer proposed: 172.31.254.27/32:0/0 -> 172.31.254.41/32:0/0
> Aug 6 17:45:07 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #34: responding to Quick Mode proposal {msgid:a1fb5739}
> Aug 6 17:45:07 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #34: us: 172.31.254.27/32===192.168.0.**18<http://172.31.254.27/32===192.168.0.18>
> <192.168.0.18>[+S=C]
> Aug 6 17:45:07 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #34: them: 192.168.0.120<192.168.0.120>[+**S=C]===172.31.254.41/32
> Aug 6 17:45:07 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #34: keeping refhim=4294901761 during rekey
> Aug 6 17:45:07 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #34: transition from state STATE_QUICK_R0 to state STATE_QUICK_R1
> Aug 6 17:45:07 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #34: STATE_QUICK_R1: sent QR1, inbound IPsec SA installed, expecting QI2
> Aug 6 17:45:07 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #34: transition from state STATE_QUICK_R1 to state STATE_QUICK_R2
> Aug 6 17:45:07 rtr-siege-001 pluto[28569]: "rtr-siege-001_TO_jun-noi-001"
> #34: STATE_QUICK_R2: IPsec SA established tunnel mode {ESP=>0xe4c9ebcc
> <0xf06b5a23 xfrm=3DES_0-HMAC_SHA1 NATOA=none NATD=none DPD=none}
>
>
> IKE logs on the Juniper side:
>
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]Added (spi=0x7f237f41, protocol=0) entry to the spi table
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ssh_ike_connect_**ipsec: Start, remote_name = :500,
> flags = 00000000
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_sa_find_ip_port: Remote = all:500, Found SA = {
> 8154c89b 6db92b86 - be707f00 28175f1b}
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_alloc_**negotiation: Start, SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86
> - be707f00 28175f1b}
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ssh_ike_connect_**ipsec: SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86 -
> be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_init_qm_**negotiation: Start, initiator = 1,
> message_id = 3957fba1
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_st_o_qm_hash_1: Start
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_st_o_qm_sa_**proposals: Start
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_st_o_qm_nonce: Start
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_policy_reply_qm_**nonce_data_len: Start
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_st_o_qm_optional_**ke: Start
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_st_o_qm_optional_**ids: Start
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_st_qm_optional_**id: Start
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_st_qm_optional_**id: Start
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_st_o_private: Start
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]Construction NHTB payload for local:192.168.0.120,
> remote:192.168.0.18 IKEv1 P1 SA index 2746472 sa-cfg VPN_TO_SIEGE-001
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]Peer router vendor is not Juniper. Not sending NHTB
> payload for sa-cfg VPN_TO_SIEGE-001
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_policy_reply_**private_payload_out: Start
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_st_o_encrypt: Marking encryption for packet
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_encode_packet: Start, SA = { 0x8154c89b 6db92b86 -
> be707f00 28175f1b } / 3957fba1, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_finalize_qm_hash_**1: Hash[0..20] = 38960ccc
> b0eea282 ...
> [Aug 6 17:44:57]ike_send_packet: Start, send SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86 -
> be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 1, dst = 192.168.0.18:500, routing table id =
> 0
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_retransmit_**callback: Start, retransmit SA = {
> 8154c89b 6db92b86 - be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_send_packet: Start, retransmit previous packet SA = {
> 8154c89b 6db92b86 - be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 1, dst = 192.168.0.18:500routing table id = 0
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ikev2_packet_**allocate: Allocated packet da9800 from
> freelist
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_sa_find: Found SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86 - be707f00
> 28175f1b }
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ikev2_packet_v1_**start: Passing IKE v1.0 packet to
> IKEv1 library
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_get_sa: Start, SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86 - be707f00
> 28175f1b } / 3957fba1, remote = 192.168.0.18:500
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_sa_find: Found SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86 - be707f00
> 28175f1b }
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_decode_packet: Start
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_decode_packet: Start, SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86 -
> be707f00 28175f1b} / 3957fba1, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_decode_payload_**sa: Start
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_decode_payload_t: Start, # trans = 1
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_st_i_encrypt: Check that packet was encrypted
> succeeded
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_st_i_qm_hash_2: Start, hash[0..20] = a70d6990
> 13e5c42d ...
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_st_i_qm_sa_**values: Start
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_st_i_qm_nonce: Nonce[0..16] = 77d4a445 32f055ee ...
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_st_i_private: Start
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_st_o_qm_hash_3: Start
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_st_o_private: Start
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_policy_reply_**private_payload_out: Start
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_st_o_encrypt: Marking encryption for packet
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]<none>:500 (Initiator) <-> 192.168.0.18:500 { 8154c89b
> 6db92b86 - be707f00 28175f1b [1] / 0x3957fba1 } QM; MESSAGE: Phase 2
> connection succeeded, No PFS, group = 0
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_qm_call_callback: MESSAGE: Phase 2 connection
> succeeded, No PFS, group = 0
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]<none>:500 (Initiator) <-> 192.168.0.18:500 { 8154c89b
> 6db92b86 - be707f00 28175f1b [1] / 0x3957fba1 } QM; MESSAGE: SA[0][0] = ESP
> 3des, life = 0 kB/3600 sec, group = 0, tunnel, hmac-sha1-96, Extended seq
> not used, key len
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_qm_call_callback: MESSAGE: SA[0][0] = ESP 3des, life
> = 0 kB/3600 sec, group = 0, tunnel, hmac-sha1-96, Extended seq not used,
> key len = 0, key rounds = 0
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]iked_pm_ipsec_sa_**install: local:192.168.0.120,
> remote:192.168.0.18 IKEv1 for SA-CFG VPN_TO_SIEGE-001
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]Added (spi=0xe4c9ebcc, protocol=ESP dst=192.168.0.120)
> entry to the peer hash table
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]Added (spi=0xf06b5a23, protocol=ESP dst=192.168.0.18)
> entry to the peer hash table
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]Hardlife timer started for inbound VPN_TO_SIEGE-001 with
> 3600 seconds/0 kilobytes
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]Softlife timer started for inbound VPN_TO_SIEGE-001 with
> 2965 seconds/0 kilobytes
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]In iked_ipsec_sa_pair_add Adding GENCFG msg with key;
> Tunnel = 131073;SPI-In = 0xe4c9ebcc
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]Added dependency on SA config blob with tunnelid = 131073
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]Successfully added ipsec SA PAIR
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_st_o_qm_wait_**done: Marking for waiting for done
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_encode_packet: Start, SA = { 0x8154c89b 6db92b86 -
> be707f00 28175f1b } / 3957fba1, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_send_packet: Start, send SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86 -
> be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 1, dst = 192.168.0.18:500, routing table id =
> 0
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]ike_send_notify: Connected, SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86 -
> be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]IPSec negotiation done successfully for SA-CFG
> VPN_TO_SIEGE-001 for local:192.168.0.120, remote:192.168.0.18 IKEv1
> [Aug 6 17:45:07]IPSec SA done callback with sa-cfg NULL in p2_ed. status:
> Error ok
> [Aug 6 17:47:13]ike_state_restart_**packet: Start, restart packet SA = {
> 8154c89b 6db92b86 - be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 0
> [Aug 6 17:47:13]ike_st_o_qm_done: Quick Mode negotiation done
> [Aug 6 17:47:13]ike_send_notify: Connected, SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86 -
> be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 0
> [Aug 6 17:47:13]ike_delete_**negotiation: Start, SA = { 8154c89b
> 6db92b86 - be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 0
> [Aug 6 17:47:13]ike_free_negotiation_**qm: Start, nego = 0
> [Aug 6 17:47:13]ike_free_negotiation: Start, nego = 0
> [Aug 6 17:47:13]ike_free_id_payload: Start, id type = 1
> [Aug 6 17:47:13]ike_free_id_payload: Start, id type = 1
> [Aug 6 17:47:13]ike_free_id_payload: Start, id type = 1
> [Aug 6 17:47:13]ike_free_id_payload: Start, id type = 1
> [Aug 6 17:48:07]ike_state_restart_**packet: Start, restart packet SA = {
> 8154c89b 6db92b86 - be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:48:07]ike_st_o_qm_done: Quick Mode negotiation done
> [Aug 6 17:48:07]ike_send_notify: Connected, SA = { 8154c89b 6db92b86 -
> be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:48:07]ike_delete_**negotiation: Start, SA = { 8154c89b
> 6db92b86 - be707f00 28175f1b}, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:48:07]ike_free_negotiation_**qm: Start, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:48:07]ike_free_negotiation: Start, nego = 1
> [Aug 6 17:48:07]ike_free_id_payload: Start, id type = 1
> [Aug 6 17:48:07]ike_free_id_payload: Start, id type = 1
> [Aug 6 17:48:07]ike_free_id_payload: Start, id type = 1
> [Aug 6 17:48:07]ike_free_id_payload: Start, id type = 1
>
>
> Do any of you have a clue about what's going on ?
>
> I tried to fiddle with MTU to no avail.
>
> Thanks
>
> Laurent
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