[j-nsp] EX4600 Vs QFX 5100 VS ACX 5048

Sat Apr 30 12:39:51 EDT 2016

Hi,

I am not very familiar with their portfolio but ALU seems to have decent metro/agg boxes.

From a conversation with an Ericsson SE a few months ago they were suppose to release a 1U platform with excellent port density.

Amos

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On 30 Apr 2016, at 03:24, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com<mailto:colton.conor at gmail.com>> wrote:

So the Cisco 5001 is the direct competitor to the Juniper ACX5048. Both
seem to be based off the Broadcom Trident II.  Mark can you give me more
details on the reasons why the Broadcom based offerings are such a bad
option? I know you like the ASR920, but 4 10G ports is not enough.

Aaron, do you think the problems with the NCS5001 still exists? How long
ago did you test those? And just to confirm those are not present on the
ACX5048?

Besides Cisco and Juniper solutions discussed, what else is out there that
has more than 4 10G ports with these feature sets?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Aaron <aaron1 at gvtc.com<mailto:aaron1 at gvtc.com>> wrote:

Yw Colton

Yes we are mostly cisco as we deployed an mpls network a few years back
with asr9k core and me3600 distribution… asr901 at cell sites…

Yes Colton cisco has 1U box, more about that below… NCS5K

Agreed Colton the ASR920 tops out at too few 10 gig interfaces to be
considered for my eval

Business case ?  perhaps the primary driving factor was in our ftth
broadband network where we are selling tons of bw to our subs….those calix
e7 olt’s have dual 10 gig uplinks and will have more in the future… to keep
up with the pace of BW consumption we needed more 10 gig interfaces in the
distribution layer of our network… the current device there was Cisco’s
ME3600 with only (2) 10 gig (4 on the CX model)

We determined that we wanted (8) or more 10 gigs in an mpls capable box
similar in size/function as the cisco me3600 that we widely deployed…

We had deployed the ME3600 with MPLS L2VPN and L3VPN so we needed a box
that could do that also.  We also deployed MEF-style eline, elan, etree
services within the me3600’s and asr9k’s so I needed a box that could do
that also.  (aka, vpls, vpws, bgp-ad w/ldp-sig auto-vpls)…also deployed was
mpls l3vpn vrf for ipv4 (aka vpnv4, inet-vpn) and with plans to go to 6VPE
(aka mpls l3vpn w/ipv6 support)… so yeah, I needed all that…

we ruled out the cisco asr920 was it tops out with (6) 10 gig

we ruled out the cisco ncs5k as it was problematic in its infancy.  I was
attracted to this box with (~40) 10 gig and (4) 100 gig, but the problems
were to great (bad issues with l3vpn and l2vpn) and some things just
weren’t even there yet.

We ruled out cisco asr903 and juniper mx104 style modular/larger boxes as
me3600 replacements since they  were bigger… and not quite what we were
looking for…

We liked and settled on the juniper acx5048…

Hope that helps…

- Aaron

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*Subject:* Re: [j-nsp] EX4600 Vs QFX 5100 VS ACX 5048

Aaron,

Thanks for the information and real world examples. Great to hear you got
Cisco and Juniper to work together as well. Sounds like you had Cisco in
your network today, and are adding Juniper. What was the business case or
reason for this? Is it because Cisco does not have a similar MEF 10G 1U
box? If they do I am not aware what model it is. Most are recommending an
ASR920, but that only has like 4 10G interfaces.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Aaron <aaron1 at gvtc.com<mailto:aaron1 at gvtc.com>> wrote:

I recently purchased several ACX5048's and am testing and deploying them as
we speak...all in all, I'm pleased thus far.  This is pretty much my first
experience with Juniper/MPLS devices.

I got a working scenario as of yesterday of EVPLAN (MEF-speak for ELAN with
tagging on PE-CE handoff)...(basically VPLS Routing Instance with BGP AD
and
LDP Sig) the JTAC was helpful in understanding the PE-CE Junos Ethernet tag
push/pop I needed.  This is interoperating with IOS XR (asr9k) and Classic
IOS (ME3600).  One glitch was noticed but it might be a subtlety during
service activation/change, but was also only seen on the 9k XR side as a
down'd psuedowire... (j)tac cases are in the works to understand why that
occurred.  Other than that acx5048, me3600, asr9k are working in a RFC4762
VPLS scenario.

I will say that JTAC did not know how to do this right away... it took them
a day or more to figure it out.  JTAC said that this ACX5048 platform is
fairly new and they are learning it as well.  (this was the person I talked
to anyway)

I have a working scenario with MPLS L3VPN on the ACX5048 also...
inet-vpn...
this is also interop'ing just fine with ME3600 and ASR9k...

I did a brief test with ELINE (mef speak for p-to-p pw) and seemed ok

I have a few more things I need to test, but at this point I've been
pleased
with the ACX5048.

I love the (48) 10 gig interfaces (6) 40 gig in a 1U size !

- Aaron

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Subject: Re: [j-nsp] EX4600 Vs QFX 5100 VS ACX 5048

The ACX has many more MPLS and CE features compared to the QFX.

On Apr 29, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor at gmail.com<mailto:colton.conor at gmail.com>> wrote:

Besides port count and expansion modules, what is the main differences
between these three Juniper switches (actually Juniper has the ACX under
their router section on their website). I believe all three use Broadcom
Trident II chips.

This Juniper doc says:

Even though QFX5100 and EX4600 Switches use the same chipset, MPLS support
differs.EX4600 switches support only basic MPLS functionality while QFX5100
switches support some of the more advanced features. See "MPLS Feature
Support on QFX Series and EX4600 Switches" on page 17 for details.

http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos14.1/information-products/pathway
-pages/ex4600/mpls.pdf

The ACX seems interesting. I know it is MEF 2.0 certified while the other
two are not. Besided MEF certification I would like to know how it differs
from the QFX5100 as the port count is identical.

Does anyone have experience with these three platforms?
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