[j-nsp] [EXT] EX4300: Framing error with macsec enabled

Chuck Anderson cra at WPI.EDU
Tue Apr 21 11:53:31 EDT 2020


As I said, I'm not excluding any protocols from MACsec.  With that configuration, LLDP apparently doesn't work "outside the tunnel"--I never see any directly attached neighbors.  LLDP does work between the MACsec endpoints--they show as if they are directly connected neighbors.  I'm fine with that result in my case.

The solution to eliminate the spurious framing errors appears to be: Ask your carrier to shut off LLDP/CDP/any other L2 protocols running on their interfaces directly attached to your MACsec endpoint devices.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 02:59:53PM +0000, Richard McGovern wrote:
> Based upon Chuck’s reply:
> 
> Well, that was an easy fix on my MX480s:
> 
>     set protocols lldp interface xe-0/0/1 disable
> 
>     Now I'm not seeing CRC errors incrementing 2-3 times per minute on the EX3400s connected directly to the MX480s.
> 
>     I'm not excluding any protocols from MACsec--LLDP runs end-to-end between the EX3400s just fine.
> 
> Don’t exclude LLDP from MACSEC and either stop or block LLDP from the Carrier/ISP.  In Chuck’s case the Carrier (to the EX3400s) was his MX.  Then EX3400s should see each other via LLDP, but not see the carrier.  I am not sure if today, you have an LLDP neighbor with your Carrier/ISP or not?
> 
> This is the way I now read his response.
> 
> Yes?
> 
> 
> Richard McGovern
> Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks
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> 
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> From: james list <jameslist72 at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:53 AM
> To: Richard McGovern <rmcgovern at juniper.net>
> Cc: Chuck Anderson <cra at wpi.edu>, Juniper List <juniper-nsp at puck.nether.net>
> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] [EXT] EX4300: Framing error with macsec enabled
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> Hi Richard
> lldp and lacp are excluded:
> 
>   > > @EX4300-A> show configuration security macsec | display set
>     > > set security macsec connectivity-association MAC security-mode static-cak
>     > > set security macsec connectivity-association MAC pre-shared-key ckn xxxx
>     > > set security macsec connectivity-association MAC pre-shared-key cak
>     > > "tttttvvvv"
>     > > set security macsec connectivity-association MAC exclude-protocol lldp
>     > > set security macsec connectivity-association MAC exclude-protocol lacp
>     > > set security macsec interfaces ge-0/0/0 connectivity-association MAC
> 
> I did not catch the connection with Framing errors counter...
> 
> Please detail if you can.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Il giorno mar 21 apr 2020 alle ore 15:27 Richard McGovern <rmcgovern at juniper.net<mailto:rmcgovern at juniper.net>> ha scritto:
> Chuck, I thought you were running both LLDP and LACP outside the MACSEC tunnel, no?
> 
> (Optional) Exclude a protocol from MACsec:
> [edit security macsec connectivity-association connectivity-association-name]
> user at switch# set exclude-protocol protocol-name
> For instance, if you did not want Link Level Discovery Protocol (LLDP) to be secured using MACsec:
> 
> [edit security macsec connectivity-association ca-dynamic1]
> user at switch# set exclude-protocol lldp
> When this option is enabled, MACsec is disabled for all packets of the specified protocol—in this case, LLDP—that are sent or received on the link.
> 
> BEST PRACTICEWe recommend that any protocol other than MACsec being used on the MACsec connection, such as LLDP, LACP, STP, or layer 3 routing protocols, should be excluded and moved outside of the MACsec tunnel.
> 
> Is this not working properly for LLDP?
> 
> Rich
> 
> Richard McGovern
> Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks
> 978-618-3342
> 
> I’d rather be lucky than good, as I know I am not good
> I don’t make the news, I just report it
> 
> 
> On 4/19/20, 7:31 PM, "Chuck Anderson" <cra at WPI.EDU<mailto:cra at WPI.EDU>> wrote:
> 
>     Well, that was an easy fix on my MX480s:
> 
>     set protocols lldp interface xe-0/0/1 disable
> 
>     Now I'm not seeing CRC errors incrementing 2-3 times per minute on the EX3400s connected directly to the MX480s.
> 
>     I'm not excluding any protocols from MACsec--LLDP runs end-to-end between the EX3400s just fine.
> 
>     Check if the carrier is running LLDP or CDP or similar.
> 
> 
>     On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 07:16:46PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote:
>     > Yes, I see CRC errors on EX3400s with MACsec termination, but only on one side.
>     >
>     > Here is my topology:
>     >
>     > From A to B:
>     >
>     > [EX3400-A]-->--[push-vlan-tag-on-MX480]-->-L2 vlan-->-[Carrier-ASR9k-pop-vlan-tag]-->--[EX3400-B]
>     >   MACsec             L2 connection                              L2 xconnect                MACsec
>     >
>     > From B to A:
>     >
>     > [EX3400-A]--<--[pop-vlan-tag-on-MX480]--<-L2 vlan--<-[Carrier-ASR9k-push-vlan-tag]--<--[EX3400-B]
>     >   MACsec             L2 connection                              L2 xconnect                MACsec
>     >
>     > I also have a redundant path with EX3400-C (different local switch) and EX3400-B (same remote switch).
>     >
>     > I see the CRC errors increasing at a rate of about 2-3 per minute, but only on EX3400-A and EXX3400-C.
>     >
>     > All EX3400s were initially running 15.1X53-D57.  Now A and C are running 18.2R3-S2 and B is running 15.1X53-D592.  But the problem has been consistent throughout all releases, no improvement with upgrades.
>     >
>     > I wonder if something the carrier's ASR9k is sending down the VLAN towards EX3400-A and -C is causing this?  If not, maybe it is the MX480s sending something locally to EX3400-A and -C?
>     >
>     > The following PRs don't seem relevant--I'm not doing anywhere close to 60% utilization:
>     >
>     > https://prsearch.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=prcontent&id=PR1261567
>     >
>     > And I'm not seeing "runts":
>     >
>     > https://prsearch.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=prcontent&id=PR1469663
>     >
>     > I'm only seeing Framing errors (CRC/Align errors):
>     >
>     > admin at ex3400-a> show interfaces extensive xe-0/2/0 |match 22791
>     >     Errors: 227911, Drops: 0, Framing errors: 227911, Runts: 0, Policed discards: 0, L3 incompletes: 0, L2 channel errors: 0, L2 mismatch timeouts: 0, FIFO errors: 0, Resource errors: 0
>     >     CRC/Align errors                    227911                0
>     >
>     > A few seconds later, it increased to 227913:
>     >
>     >   MAC statistics:                      Receive         Transmit
>     >     Total octets                17953647117156    3221741316352
>     >     Total packets                  13200126465       7010832956
>     >     Unicast packets                13194022205       7004785539
>     >     Broadcast packets                     5272                0
>     >     Multicast packets                  6098988          6047417
>     >     CRC/Align errors                    227913                0
>     >     FIFO errors                              0                0
>     >     MAC control frames                       0                0
>     >     MAC pause frames                         0                0
>     >     Oversized frames                         0
>     >     Jabber frames                            0
>     >     Fragment frames                          0
>     >     VLAN tagged frames             13196813130
>     >     Code violations                          0
>     >
>     > Rate is only 24 Mbps, 2200 pps:
>     >
>     > admin at ex3400-a> show interfaces extensive xe-0/2/0 |match "bps|pps"
>     >   Link-level type: Ethernet, MTU: 9192, LAN-PHY mode, Speed: 10Gbps, BPDU Error: None, Loop Detect PDU Error: None, Ethernet-Switching Error: None, MAC-REWRITE Error: None,
>     >    Input  bytes  :       17954037433802             24242136 bps
>     >    Output bytes  :        3221749625049               498504 bps
>     >    Input  packets:          13200416854                 2190 pps
>     >    Output packets:           7010941872                  830 pps
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 09:37:23AM +0200, james list wrote:
>     > > Dear experts,
>     > > I've an EX4300 (Junos 17.3R3-S3.3) which have a constant Framing error
>     > > counter increase also if the traffic is very low.
>     > > Interface is connected to a WAN link from a carrier and bw is 1 Gbs but
>     > > traffic max is actually 100 Mbs and on average 10 Mbs.
>     > > On this interface I've enabled macsec, if I disable macsec the issue is not
>     > > in place but unfortunately macsec is mandatory to be kept enabled.
>     > >
>     > > I cannot sniff since the packet is encrypted but to me it seems that
>     > > traffic is not lost, if I have 100 Mbs inside from WAN I see 100 Mbs
>     > > outside to DataCenter.
>     > >
>     > > Due to the fact that monitoring system contantly raise an alert, I'd like
>     > > to know how to fix it or at least let the EX4300 do not raise the counter
>     > > increase.
>     > >
>     > > I've opened a JTAC case but they found a PR which is currently related to a
>     > > Broadcom chipset raising framing errors during spikes (ie 70% of the
>     > > interface bandwidth).
>     > >
>     > > https://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB32264&actp=METADATA
>     > >
>     > > Also enabling flow-control as described in the KB do not change the
>     > > behaviour.
>     > >
>     > > I'm wondering if there could the option we're receiving some sort on
>     > > "unknown protocol" from the carrier (I remeber Cisco has something like
>     > > that) or could be an harware issue..
>     > >
>     > > On the other side of the link, the other EX4300 (side B) do not experience
>     > > the same issue but the traffic is mostly from side B to side A.
>     > >
>     > > Here an example of the output, statistics cleared and after 1 minute I get
>     > > 12 framing errors with 2 Mbs running on the WAN link:
>     > >
>     > > @EX4300-A> show interfaces ae0 extensive
>     > > Physical interface: ae0, Enabled, Physical link is Up
>     > >   Interface index: 220, SNMP ifIndex: 549, Generation: 131
>     > >   Description: xxx
>     > >   Link-level type: Ethernet, MTU: 9192, Speed: 1Gbps, BPDU Error: None,
>     > > Ethernet-Switching Error: None, MAC-REWRITE Error: None,
>     > >   Loopback: Disabled, Source filtering: Disabled, Flow control: Enabled,
>     > > Minimum links needed: 1, Minimum bandwidth needed: 1bps
>     > >   Device flags   : Present Running
>     > >   Interface flags: SNMP-Traps Internal: 0x0
>     > >   Current address: cc:e5:94:11:43:23, Hardware address: cc:e5:94:11:43:23
>     > >   Last flapped   : 2020-04-19 02:05:05 CEST (06:50:45 ago)
>     > >   Statistics last cleared: 2020-04-19 09:11:22 CEST (00:01:00 ago)
>     > >   Traffic statistics:
>     > >    Input  bytes  :             10014863              2205456 bps
>     > >    Output bytes  :              4095720               582456 bps
>     > >    Input  packets:                33292                  624 pps
>     > >    Output packets:                33023                  568 pps
>     > >    IPv6 transit statistics:
>     > >     Input  bytes  :                   0
>     > >     Output bytes  :                   0
>     > >     Input  packets:                   0
>     > >     Output packets:                   0
>     > >   Input errors:
>     > >     Errors: 12, Drops: 0, Framing errors: 12, Runts: 0, Giants: 0, Policed
>     > > discards: 0, Resource errors: 0
>     > >   Output errors:
>     > >     Carrier transitions: 0, Errors: 0, Drops: 0, MTU errors: 0, Resource
>     > > errors: 0
>     > >   Egress queues: 12 supported, 11 in use
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > @EX4300-A> show interfaces ge-0/0/0 extensive
>     > > Physical interface: ge-0/0/0, Enabled, Physical link is Up
>     > >   Interface index: 649, SNMP ifIndex: 509, Generation: 140
>     > >   Description: WAN link
>     > >   Link-level type: Ethernet, MTU: 9192, LAN-PHY mode, Link-mode:
>     > > Full-duplex, Speed: 1000mbps, BPDU Error: None, Loop Detect PDU Error: None,
>     > >   Ethernet-Switching Error: None, Source filtering: Disabled
>     > >   Ethernet-Switching Error: None, MAC-REWRITE Error: None, Loopback:
>     > > Disabled, Flow control: Enabled, Auto-negotiation: Enabled,
>     > >   Remote fault: Online, Media type: Copper, IEEE 802.3az Energy Efficient
>     > > Ethernet: Disabled, Auto-MDIX: Enabled
>     > >   Device flags   : Present Running
>     > >   Interface flags: SNMP-Traps Internal: 0x0
>     > >   Link flags     : None
>     > >   CoS queues     : 12 supported, 12 maximum usable queues
>     > >   Hold-times     : Up 0 ms, Down 0 ms
>     > >   Current address: cc:e5:94:11:43:23, Hardware address: cc:e5:94:11:43:23
>     > >   Last flapped   : 2020-03-28 18:43:04 CET (3w0d 13:30 ago)
>     > >   Statistics last cleared: 2020-04-19 09:11:18 CEST (00:02:18 ago)
>     > >   Traffic statistics:
>     > >    Input  bytes  :             21782579               932296 bps
>     > >    Output bytes  :             17898068               498704 bps
>     > >    Input  packets:                76844                  569 pps
>     > >    Output packets:                82594                  590 pps
>     > >    IPv6 transit statistics:
>     > >     Input  bytes  :                   0
>     > >     Output bytes  :                   0
>     > >     Input  packets:                   0
>     > >     Output packets:                   0
>     > >   Input errors:
>     > >     Errors: 28, Drops: 0, Framing errors: 28, Runts: 0, Policed discards:
>     > > 0, L3 incompletes: 0, L2 channel errors: 0,
>     > >     L2 mismatch timeouts: 0, FIFO errors: 0, Resource errors: 0
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Here part of the config:
>     > >
>     > > @EX4300-A> show configuration interfaces ge-0/0/0 | display set
>     > > set interfaces ge-0/0/0 ether-options auto-negotiation
>     > > set interfaces ge-0/0/0 ether-options flow-control
>     > > set interfaces ge-0/0/0 ether-options 802.3ad ae0
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > @EX4300-A> show configuration interfaces ae0 | display set
>     > > set interfaces ae0 mtu 9192
>     > > set interfaces ae0 aggregated-ether-options flow-control
>     > > set interfaces ae0 aggregated-ether-options lacp active
>     > > set interfaces ae0 aggregated-ether-options lacp periodic fast
>     > > set interfaces ae0 unit 0 family ethernet-switching interface-mode trunk
>     > > set interfaces ae0 unit 0 family ethernet-switching vlan members 2228
>     > > set interfaces ae0 unit 0 family ethernet-switching vlan members 2552-2553
>     > > set interfaces ae0 unit 0 family ethernet-switching filter input QOS
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > @EX4300-A> show configuration security macsec | display set
>     > > set security macsec connectivity-association MAC security-mode static-cak
>     > > set security macsec connectivity-association MAC pre-shared-key ckn xxxx
>     > > set security macsec connectivity-association MAC pre-shared-key cak
>     > > "tttttvvvv"
>     > > set security macsec connectivity-association MAC exclude-protocol lldp
>     > > set security macsec connectivity-association MAC exclude-protocol lacp
>     > > set security macsec interfaces ge-0/0/0 connectivity-association MAC
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Dear all, an help is appreciated and welcomme, please let me thank in
>     > > advance anyone will give an hint.
>     > >
>     > > Cheers
>     > > James


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