[j-nsp] MX304 - Edge Router

Wed Oct 25 15:02:33 EDT 2023

I tried to get my daughter (now Sr at Uni) to look at this field. Her response was, “I don’t want to do anything like what you do” 😩

Richard McGovern
Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks
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I’d rather be lucky than good, as I know I am not good
I don’t make the news, I just report it

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From: J Findley <jfindley at bluemountainnet.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:00 PM
To: Richard McGovern <rmcgovern at juniper.net>, Michael Hare <michael.hare at wisc.edu>, Saku Ytti <saku at ytti.fi>, Aaron1 <aaron1 at gvtc.com>
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Subject: RE: Re: [j-nsp] MX304 - Edge Router
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Great time to be a network engineer

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From: Richard McGovern <rmcgovern at juniper.net>
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Subject: Re: Re: [j-nsp] MX304 - Edge Router

WPI in Worcester, MA is also looking, as are [too] many others.

Rich

Richard McGovern
Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks
978-618-3342

I’d rather be lucky than good, as I know I am not good
I don’t make the news, I just report it

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From: J Findley <jfindley at bluemountainnet.com<mailto:jfindley at bluemountainnet.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 2:29 PM
To: Richard McGovern <rmcgovern at juniper.net<mailto:rmcgovern at juniper.net>>, Michael Hare <michael.hare at wisc.edu<mailto:michael.hare at wisc.edu>>, Saku Ytti <saku at ytti.fi<mailto:saku at ytti.fi>>, Aaron1 <aaron1 at gvtc.com<mailto:aaron1 at gvtc.com>>
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Subject: RE: Re: [j-nsp] MX304 - Edge Router
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We are trying to hire network engineers at Blue Mountain Networks and does anybody know someone looking for an opportunity. Sorry if I should not ask.

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Subject: Re: [j-nsp] MX304 - Edge Router

A great story for the power of Apstra [in the DC], which is also multi-vendor!!

Richard McGovern
Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks
978-618-3342

I'd rather be lucky than good, as I know I am not good I don't make the news, I just report it

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On 10/25/23, 12:48 PM, "Michael Hare" <michael.hare at wisc.edu<mailto:michael.hare at wisc.edu>> wrote:
Re: "In your specific case, the ports never worked, you had to procure a license, and the license never dies."

Here's a cool story.  At some point I migrated the perpetual 10G FPC2 SFP+ port license on our MX104s from the "request system license add" mantra to "set system license" so it was more easily manageable in the config.  The migration worked fine in the lab.  I was making the change in production batch using automation, using the model of "commit confirmed" followed in a bit with a "commit check".  I pushed a set of "commit confirmed" out and got distracted by.. something.  I missed the commit check.  The config rolled back, but guess what didn't roll back?  The "request system license add".  The SFP+ shut off.  No truck rolls were needed but it did create a needless outage for some.  Going back to Saku's comment about SSL certs; never underestimate a human's ability to fail.

-Michael

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> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 15:26, Aaron1 via juniper-nsp
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> > Years ago I had to get a license to make my 10g interfaces work on
> > my
> MX104
>
> I think we need to be careful in what we are saying.
>
> We can't reject licences out right, that's not a fair ask and it won't happen.
>
> But we can reject licenses that expire in operation and cause an
> outage. That I think is a very reasonable ask.  I know that IOS XE for
> example will do this, you run out of license and your box breaks. I
> swapped out from CRS1k to ASR1k because I knew the organisation would
> eventually fail to fix the license ahead of expiry.
>
> I'm happy if the device calls homes via https proxy, and reports my
> license use, and the sales droid tells me I'm not compliant with
> terms. Making it a commercial problem is fine, making it an acute
> technical problem is not.
>
>
> In your specific case, the ports never worked, you had to procure a
> license, and the license never dies. So from my POV, this is fine. And
> being absolutist here will not help, as then you can't even achieve
> reasonable compromise.
>
> --
>   ++ytti
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