[Outages-discussion] [outages] Syria off the net

[Frank Bulk]

So there's no private financial or educational institutions in Syria that
have T-1's going back to the U.S. or any other country for regular data
transfer?

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: outages-discussion-bounces at outages.org
[mailto:outages-discussion-bounces at outages.org] On Behalf Of Patrick W.
Gilmore
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:50 PM
To: outages-discussion at outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Syria off the net

I do not know the specifics of Syria.

However, many authoritarian governments disallow communications
infrastructure to cross their border (e.g. "point-to-point T1 outside the
country") except through a very small handful of very closely regulated
(read "controlled") agents.  Sometimes only one.

So I doubt any company has a T1 leaving the country unless it is a
state-controlled company who wouldn't be doing any sharing of its Internet
capacity.

As for satellite uplinks, those are frequently flat-out illegal other than
state-run ones for much the same reason.  But they are easier to hide.

During the Egyptian outage, people would do things like go close to the
boarder and use 3G roaming on cell phones or the like.  So there are ways
out of the country even if the official links are shut down.

-- 
TTFN,
patrick


On Nov 29, 2012, at 13:31 , "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk at iname.com> wrote:

> Yes, both circuit-based (T-1, etc) and satellite.
> 
> Separately, Syrian minister of information says that "terrorists" cut
> Internet: http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=294001
> 
> Frank
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: B.J. Ash [mailto:bjash at kentrecords.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:28 PM
> To: Frank Bulk; outages-discussion at outages.org
> Subject: RE: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Syria off the net
> 
> Or satellite.
> 
> --
> B.J.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: outages-discussion-bounces at outages.org
> [mailto:outages-discussion-bounces at outages.org] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 13:27
> To: outages-discussion at outages.org
> Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Syria off the net
> 
> Just to add, if a Syrian business had a point-to-point T-1 outside the
> country, couldn't they maintain connectivity?
> 
> Frank
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: outages-bounces at outages.org [mailto:outages-bounces at outages.org] On
> Behalf Of Carl Brooks
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:55 AM
> To: Jay Ashworth; outages at outages.org
> Subject: Re: [outages] Syria off the net
> 
> Can anyone on the list confirm/expand? Cutting off web traffic isn't
cutting
> off network access.
> 
> 
> Carl Brooks
> Analyst, IT infrastructure and cloud
> 
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> 
> On 11/29/12 12:50 PM, "Jay Ashworth" <jra at baylink.com> wrote:
> 
>> GWH cross-posted this to NANOG and here, but I think the list held it 
>> because it was cross posted.
>> 
>> Syria fall down go poof:
>> 
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>> From: "George Herbert" <george.herbert at gmail.com>
>> 
>>> The press is reporting on Renesys' report that Syria has finally 
>>> dropped all its internet connectivity earlier this morning:
>>> 
>>> http://www.renesys.com/blog/2012/11/syria-off-the-air.shtml
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/29/web-monitor
>>> -10 0-percent-of-syrias-internet-just-shut-down/
>> 
>> -- 
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