[Outages-discussion] [outages] Facebook Outage

[John Sage]

That awkward moment when you begin to suspect that this is going to be 
the *next* thread to go meta- meta- meta- meta- completely off into the 
weeds as been happening on NANOG so often lately.

Also see: noise != signal

Maybe take this to NANOG. It's been awfully quiet lately...

- moi


On 08/03/2018 01:10 PM, Neal Lawson wrote:
> Hey, im one of those who post cat pictures, I guess I could start
> posting them here… when facebook is down…
>
>
>> On Aug 3, 2018, at 1:07 PM, James <jamesam at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jamesam at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> It’s up for us here in the Midwest.  So we can chip away at some of
>> those 200 million office workers that can’t post their cat pictures.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:52 PM Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net
>> <mailto:spork at bway.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Yeah, I’m top-posting, so sue me. :p
>>
>>     That it’s even a debate that any event that causes ISPs and I’m
>>     sure internal network groups (because people totally use FB in the
>>     office) to have an avalanche of phone calls just boggles the mind.
>>
>>     Yeah, error page, not reachable - does the average user consider
>>     that before calling for support? No.  No they do ot.  They
>>     probably can’t even tell you what the error said.  This is totally
>>     relevant for this list.  Also love that the people that say
>>     calling about a handful of DIDs on some random provider posting
>>     that is totally relevant but one of the top websites in the world
>>     being down should not be reported here because “I don’t use FB” or
>>     some other nonsense.  Also love that they post those complaints on
>>     the main list and don’t see the irony of THAT nonsense...
>>     --
>>     Charles Sprickman
>>     NetEng/SysAdmin
>>     Bway.net <http://Bway.net> - New York's Best Internetwww.bway.net
>>     <http://www.bway.net/>
>>     spork at bway.net <mailto:spork at bway.net>- 212.982.9800
>>
>>
>>
>>     > On Aug 3, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Gert Doering <gert at greenie.muc.de
>>     <mailto:gert at greenie.muc.de>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > Hi,
>>     >
>>     > On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 07:20:00PM +0000, Chris Mayhew via
>>     Outages wrote:
>>     >> I agree that this is the wrong place for application outages,
>>     be it Slack, Facebook or Google.  For those who are concerned when
>>     these applications go down, it would be more appropriate to start
>>     an application outages list.
>>     >
>>     > It is not "wrong place".  It is exactly the right place,
>>     according to
>>     > the spirit of the list - in particular, the section
>>     >
>>     >  "The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup
>>     >   and report so that end users & network operators know why their
>>     >   services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to
>>     >   open tons of trouble tickets during a major event"
>>     >
>>     > It might have been initially formed for "network outages", but tbh,
>>     > "facebook does not work" is going to interest WAY more NOC folks out
>>     > there than "I have lost an E1 in southern nowhere".
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > It might be necessary to rewrite the published charter to
>>     explicitely
>>     > list "major application outages", if only to avoid this silly
>>     repeating
>>     > discussion every few months.  Which, given that those that
>>     complain are
>>     > too inconsiderate to use outages-discussion, creates MORE
>>     traffic than
>>     > real outages of the past few weeks...
>>     >
>>     > gert
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > --
>>     > "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction
>>     that if you
>>     > feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out.
>>     Never doubted
>>     > it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor."
>>     >                             Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a
>>     Harsh Mistress
>>     >
>>     > Gert Doering - Munich, Germany gert at greenie.muc.de
>>     <mailto:gert at greenie.muc.de>
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