[Outages-discussion] [outages] Ping to Google 8.8.8.8

[Jay R. Ashworth]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Hennigan" <jay at west.net>

> [Moved to -discussion.]
> 
> On 2/8/22 20:45, Mark Tinka via Outages wrote:
> 
>> That ship long sailed.
>> 
>> If we want to stop this behaviour, we'll have to do something about it,
>> specifically, offering an alternative to Internet users that is regarded
>> as official, e.g., like we do with other public services such as NTP.
> 
> So, "ping pool.ntp.org", then? Hey, it works! Problem solved.
> 
> Seriously, that would just be repeating the problem of (ab)using a
> public resource for something other than its intended purpose.

Well, what's the actual problem here?  

Is there a measurable problem from the actual 64 bytes per second of ICMP?

Or is the problem untrained 'engineers' getting all up in their bootstraps
about "it not working" when they try to do it?

We ping and trace because *we know what machine we're trying to diagnose*,
usually, though I'll admit to occasionally using it to diagnose the network
as well.  I just *understand the limits on that*, and usually try to have
3 or 4 pieces of evidence something's broke before I ask...

Cheers,
-- jra
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