[Outages-discussion] [outages] REMINDER: MAIN LIST NOT FOR CHAT

[Jeremy Chadwick]

Jay, is there a reason people cannot be force-removed by admins when
violations happen (re: sending mails to outages@ that should be on,
or remain on, -discussions)?

It will continue to happen until the banhammer starts swinging.

Opinion: simple process: you get 1 warning because humans make mistakes,
Email clients auto-expand the wrong list, etc..  If you do it again,
then you lose the right to play in the sandbox with the other children:
outages@ sub removed (and blocked/banned) but -discussion is OK.  (If
they make another Email address, fine, but now there's an annoyance
factor they have to live with.)

Advice from a sysadmin for almost 30 years: telling people no/stop is a
critical part of the role.  There are too many people on the planet who
don't listen to "please don't do this" but DO listen when a heavy fist
falls.  Sometimes "speak softly and carry a big stick" should really
just be "carry a big stick".

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                 jdc at koitsu.org |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                      PGP 0x2A389531 |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.                        |

On Tue, Mar 05, 2024 at 11:48:46AM -0500, Jay Ashworth via Outages-discussion wrote:
> Well, to Bill Woodcock's credit, his was the first message I saw this morning, and he started it on -discuss, so..
> 
> We will be talking about this this week. The real problem I see with it is that since so many more people are subscribed to the main list, it may generate a whole bunch of messages to discuss from people who are not subscribed to that list, and I'm not certain what The Sorcerer's Apprentice effects of that might be. 
> 
> I need to talk to Jared about that point. He knows mailman much better than I do.
> 
> On March 5, 2024 11:46:42 AM EST, Andy Ringsmuth <andy at andyring.com> wrote:
> >Seconded. 
> >
> >Or “firsted” maybe since I’m the one who tossed the idea out there?
> >
> >As usual, one initial report followed by more than a dozen “me too” reports. Sigh...
> >
> >----
> >Andy Ringsmuth
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> >andy at andyring.com
> >
> >> On Mar 5, 2024, at 10:21 AM, Carl Perry via Outages-discussion <outages-discussion at outages.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'd like to re-raise the proposal from a few weeks ago that the default reply-to for the outages list be outages-discussion. I think this is the only way to stem this tide since it's been going on for weeks.
> >>   -Carl
> >> On 3/5/24 16:11, Jay Ashworth via Outages wrote:
> >>> The only other messages we should see on the main list are "it's back now". Please take the discussions over to -discuss.
> >>> 
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> -- jr '<admin/>' a
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