From bryan at shout.net  Mon Jan 20 11:56:53 2025
From: bryan at shout.net (Bryan Holloway)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:56:53 +0100
Subject: [Outages-discussion] tiktok back? not seeing it.
Message-ID: <45f8b6cd-2044-438d-8205-8cfe0ea12690@shout.net>

Keep reading all these mainstream news reports that Tiktok "service has 
been restored", but I've seen no evidence of this on our US networks: 
transit, IXes, PNIs, etc.

No change in their number of prefixes advertised.

Is it just me?


From josh at imaginenetworksllc.com  Mon Jan 20 12:32:24 2025
From: josh at imaginenetworksllc.com (Josh Luthman)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 07:32:24 -0500
Subject: [Outages-discussion] tiktok back? not seeing it.
In-Reply-To: <45f8b6cd-2044-438d-8205-8cfe0ea12690@shout.net>
References: <45f8b6cd-2044-438d-8205-8cfe0ea12690@shout.net>
Message-ID: <CAN9qwJ9ko=eqoYaOPWFTy_OVmHG7WvtRM0qG3icCCNb+jbE8Gw@mail.gmail.com>

The website works so clearly their IPs are announced.

On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:00?AM Bryan Holloway via Outages-discussion <
outages-discussion at outages.org> wrote:

> Keep reading all these mainstream news reports that Tiktok "service has
> been restored", but I've seen no evidence of this on our US networks:
> transit, IXes, PNIs, etc.
>
> No change in their number of prefixes advertised.
>
> Is it just me?
>
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> Outages-discussion at outages.org
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From bryan at shout.net  Mon Jan 20 12:38:48 2025
From: bryan at shout.net (Bryan Holloway)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 13:38:48 +0100
Subject: [Outages-discussion] tiktok back? not seeing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAN9qwJ9ko=eqoYaOPWFTy_OVmHG7WvtRM0qG3icCCNb+jbE8Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45f8b6cd-2044-438d-8205-8cfe0ea12690@shout.net>
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Message-ID: <026c95dd-f7de-4c09-b8a4-1e9160c7aa8b@shout.net>

Agreed, but that wasn't really my point.

Claiming that service is restored != "Tiktok is temporarily unavailable" 
messages on their web-site.

To be more clear: has any network operators in the US definitively 
confirmed that ACTUAL tangible/useful service has been restored?


On 1/20/25 13:32, Josh Luthman wrote:
> The website works so clearly their IPs are announced.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:00?AM Bryan Holloway via Outages-discussion 
> <outages-discussion at outages.org <mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org>> 
> wrote:
> 
>     Keep reading all these mainstream news reports that Tiktok "service has
>     been restored", but I've seen no evidence of this on our US networks:
>     transit, IXes, PNIs, etc.
> 
>     No change in their number of prefixes advertised.
> 
>     Is it just me?
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     Outages-discussion mailing list
>     Outages-discussion at outages.org <mailto:Outages-discussion at outages.org>
>     https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion
>     <https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion>
> 


From josh at imaginenetworksllc.com  Mon Jan 20 12:46:04 2025
From: josh at imaginenetworksllc.com (Josh Luthman)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 07:46:04 -0500
Subject: [Outages-discussion] tiktok back? not seeing it.
In-Reply-To: <026c95dd-f7de-4c09-b8a4-1e9160c7aa8b@shout.net>
References: <45f8b6cd-2044-438d-8205-8cfe0ea12690@shout.net>
 <CAN9qwJ9ko=eqoYaOPWFTy_OVmHG7WvtRM0qG3icCCNb+jbE8Gw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAN9qwJ8r0TyqbmZOgmVj6hFsqiq0tHh668Sf9fhACw7-oVgpOw@mail.gmail.com>

Https://tiktok.com loads as expected.  Videos are playing. What would
suggest it isn't fully restored?

On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:38?AM Bryan Holloway <bryan at shout.net> wrote:

> Agreed, but that wasn't really my point.
>
> Claiming that service is restored != "Tiktok is temporarily unavailable"
> messages on their web-site.
>
> To be more clear: has any network operators in the US definitively
> confirmed that ACTUAL tangible/useful service has been restored?
>
>
> On 1/20/25 13:32, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > The website works so clearly their IPs are announced.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:00?AM Bryan Holloway via Outages-discussion
> > <outages-discussion at outages.org <mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     Keep reading all these mainstream news reports that Tiktok "service
> has
> >     been restored", but I've seen no evidence of this on our US networks:
> >     transit, IXes, PNIs, etc.
> >
> >     No change in their number of prefixes advertised.
> >
> >     Is it just me?
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     Outages-discussion mailing list
> >     Outages-discussion at outages.org <mailto:
> Outages-discussion at outages.org>
> >     https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion
> >     <https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion>
> >
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From mattias at ahnberg.pp.se  Mon Jan 20 12:58:24 2025
From: mattias at ahnberg.pp.se (Mattias Ahnberg)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 13:58:24 +0100
Subject: [Outages-discussion] tiktok back? not seeing it.
In-Reply-To: <026c95dd-f7de-4c09-b8a4-1e9160c7aa8b@shout.net>
References: <45f8b6cd-2044-438d-8205-8cfe0ea12690@shout.net>
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Message-ID: <4ea67f18-29d7-4784-bb7e-8ff31288d420@ahnberg.pp.se>

On 2025-01-20 13:38, Bryan Holloway via Outages-discussion wrote:
> To be more clear: has any network operators in the US definitively 
> confirmed that ACTUAL tangible/useful service has been restored?

Using TikTok you see the American creators returning en-masse posting 
videos about everything being back. I'd say that is proof more than any 
other observations?
-- 
/ahnberg


From bryan at shout.net  Mon Jan 20 13:30:02 2025
From: bryan at shout.net (SGT)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 14:30:02 +0100
Subject: [Outages-discussion] tiktok back? not seeing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAN9qwJ8r0TyqbmZOgmVj6hFsqiq0tHh668Sf9fhACw7-oVgpOw@mail.gmail.com>
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From bryan at shout.net  Mon Jan 20 17:59:54 2025
From: bryan at shout.net (Bryan Holloway)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 18:59:54 +0100
Subject: [Outages-discussion] tiktok back? not seeing it.
In-Reply-To: <1435822651.75773917.1737388276259.JavaMail.zimbra@zmcc-3-mailbox-1.zmailcloud.com>
References: <3BB8B391-3B42-4398-816C-1EB6F85257C0@shout.net>
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Message-ID: <302ee56d-7012-4c13-85e0-3db24a5fcb98@shout.net>

I think we're confusing semantics here:

Our customers still have no access to TikTok in the US. I was merely 
asking if others were having the same issue.

The answer appears to be no, and I've reached out to AS396986 to try and 
understand why and expedite resolution.

Your assertion that everything "worked as designed" is arguably 
incorrect seeing as how we normally do ~30Gbps of traffic inbound, and 
we're still at zero.

Thank you to everyone else who offered up their help, insight, and 
advice both in-line and off.

Cheers,
		- bryan


On 1/20/25 16:51, Franck Martin wrote:
> There was no outage. Everything worked as designed.
> 
> TikTok just put a popup on any US based IP/account and blocked the UI 
> from going further.
> 
> I took a screenshot.
> 
> 474268107_18379872679129881_960392015057685397_n.jpg
> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE_rsNhRSpI/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==>	
> Franck Martin on Instagram: "It happened and I have the right track for 
> it: Access Denied! #tiktok #tiktokban #music" <https:// 
> www.instagram.com/reel/DE_rsNhRSpI/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==>
> Watch and share reels with friends <https://www.instagram.com/reel/ 
> DE_rsNhRSpI/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==>
> 
> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE_rsNhRSpI/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==>
> 
> There was another popup when TikTok restored the service in the USA 
> based on confirmations of protections under the US law.
> 
> Franck
> 
> Toute connaissance est une r?ponse ? une question.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2025, at 05:33, SGT via Outages-discussion <outages- 
>> discussion at outages.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Our network?s experience. Thank you for the datapoint.
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2025, at 13:46, Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Https://tiktok.com <Https://tiktok.com> loads as expected.? Videos 
>>> are playing. What would suggest it isn't fully restored?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:38?AM Bryan Holloway <bryan at shout.net 
>>> <mailto:bryan at shout.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Agreed, but that wasn't really my point.
>>>
>>>     Claiming that service is restored != "Tiktok is temporarily
>>>     unavailable"
>>>     messages on their web-site.
>>>
>>>     To be more clear: has any network operators in the US definitively
>>>     confirmed that ACTUAL tangible/useful service has been restored?
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 1/20/25 13:32, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>     > The website works so clearly their IPs are announced.
>>>     >
>>>     > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:00?AM Bryan Holloway via Outages-
>>>     discussion
>>>     > <outages-discussion at outages.org <mailto:outages-
>>>     discussion at outages.org> <mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org
>>>     <mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org>>>
>>>     > wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >? ? ?Keep reading all these mainstream news reports that Tiktok
>>>     "service has
>>>     >? ? ?been restored", but I've seen no evidence of this on our US
>>>     networks:
>>>     >? ? ?transit, IXes, PNIs, etc.
>>>     >
>>>     >? ? ?No change in their number of prefixes advertised.
>>>     >
>>>     >? ? ?Is it just me?
>>>     >
>>>     >? ? ?_______________________________________________
>>>     >? ? ?Outages-discussion mailing list
>>>     > Outages-discussion at outages.org <mailto:Outages-
>>>     discussion at outages.org> <mailto:Outages-discussion at outages.org
>>>     <mailto:Outages-discussion at outages.org>>
>>>     > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion
>>>     <https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion>
>>>     >? ? ?<https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-
>>>     discussion <https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-
>>>     discussion>>
>>>     >
>>>


From tim at mid.net  Mon Jan 20 18:14:20 2025
From: tim at mid.net (Tim Burke)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 18:14:20 +0000
Subject: [Outages-discussion] tiktok back? not seeing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAN9qwJ8r0TyqbmZOgmVj6hFsqiq0tHh668Sf9fhACw7-oVgpOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45f8b6cd-2044-438d-8205-8cfe0ea12690@shout.net>
 <CAN9qwJ9ko=eqoYaOPWFTy_OVmHG7WvtRM0qG3icCCNb+jbE8Gw@mail.gmail.com>
 <026c95dd-f7de-4c09-b8a4-1e9160c7aa8b@shout.net>
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Message-ID: <b82f8bd8-b8c7-4dc6-8baa-6a545683f8e9@Spark>

Same behavior here.  We do not have any peering with 396986, if that is a helpful data point. Normally see 8-10Gbps come in via them, but only a few mbps today. Rest of it seems to be coming in via our PNIs with Akamai/20940...
On Jan 20, 2025 at 06:48 -0600, Josh Luthman via Outages-discussion <outages-discussion at outages.org>, wrote:
Https://tiktok.com loads as expected.  Videos are playing. What would suggest it isn't fully restored?

On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:38?AM Bryan Holloway <bryan at shout.net<mailto:bryan at shout.net>> wrote:
Agreed, but that wasn't really my point.

Claiming that service is restored != "Tiktok is temporarily unavailable"
messages on their web-site.

To be more clear: has any network operators in the US definitively
confirmed that ACTUAL tangible/useful service has been restored?


On 1/20/25 13:32, Josh Luthman wrote:
> The website works so clearly their IPs are announced.
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:00?AM Bryan Holloway via Outages-discussion
> <outages-discussion at outages.org<mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org> <mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org<mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org>>>
> wrote:
>
>     Keep reading all these mainstream news reports that Tiktok "service has
>     been restored", but I've seen no evidence of this on our US networks:
>     transit, IXes, PNIs, etc.
>
>     No change in their number of prefixes advertised.
>
>     Is it just me?
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Outages-discussion mailing list
>     Outages-discussion at outages.org<mailto:Outages-discussion at outages.org> <mailto:Outages-discussion at outages.org<mailto:Outages-discussion at outages.org>>
>     https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion
>     <https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion>
>

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From josh at imaginenetworksllc.com  Mon Jan 20 18:16:13 2025
From: josh at imaginenetworksllc.com (Josh Luthman)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 13:16:13 -0500
Subject: [Outages-discussion] tiktok back? not seeing it.
In-Reply-To: <302ee56d-7012-4c13-85e0-3db24a5fcb98@shout.net>
References: <3BB8B391-3B42-4398-816C-1EB6F85257C0@shout.net>
 <1435822651.75773917.1737388276259.JavaMail.zimbra@zmcc-3-mailbox-1.zmailcloud.com>
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Bryan,

What happens when you go to the website:  https://www.tiktok.com/

Does it load a video?  Do you get an error?  Is your concern the traffic is
using a different ASN?

On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 1:03?PM Bryan Holloway via Outages-discussion <
outages-discussion at outages.org> wrote:

> I think we're confusing semantics here:
>
> Our customers still have no access to TikTok in the US. I was merely
> asking if others were having the same issue.
>
> The answer appears to be no, and I've reached out to AS396986 to try and
> understand why and expedite resolution.
>
> Your assertion that everything "worked as designed" is arguably
> incorrect seeing as how we normally do ~30Gbps of traffic inbound, and
> we're still at zero.
>
> Thank you to everyone else who offered up their help, insight, and
> advice both in-line and off.
>
> Cheers,
>                 - bryan
>
>
> On 1/20/25 16:51, Franck Martin wrote:
> > There was no outage. Everything worked as designed.
> >
> > TikTok just put a popup on any US based IP/account and blocked the UI
> > from going further.
> >
> > I took a screenshot.
> >
> > 474268107_18379872679129881_960392015057685397_n.jpg
> > <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE_rsNhRSpI/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==>
> > Franck Martin on Instagram: "It happened and I have the right track for
> > it: Access Denied! #tiktok #tiktokban #music" <https://
> > www.instagram.com/reel/DE_rsNhRSpI/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==>
> > Watch and share reels with friends <https://www.instagram.com/reel/
> > DE_rsNhRSpI/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==>
> >
> > <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE_rsNhRSpI/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==>
> >
> > There was another popup when TikTok restored the service in the USA
> > based on confirmations of protections under the US law.
> >
> > Franck
> >
> > Toute connaissance est une r?ponse ? une question.
> >
> >> On Jan 20, 2025, at 05:33, SGT via Outages-discussion <outages-
> >> discussion at outages.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?
> >> Our network?s experience. Thank you for the datapoint.
> >>
> >>> On Jan 20, 2025, at 13:46, Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?
> >>> Https://tiktok.com <Https://tiktok.com> loads as expected.  Videos
> >>> are playing. What would suggest it isn't fully restored?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:38?AM Bryan Holloway <bryan at shout.net
> >>> <mailto:bryan at shout.net>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     Agreed, but that wasn't really my point.
> >>>
> >>>     Claiming that service is restored != "Tiktok is temporarily
> >>>     unavailable"
> >>>     messages on their web-site.
> >>>
> >>>     To be more clear: has any network operators in the US definitively
> >>>     confirmed that ACTUAL tangible/useful service has been restored?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     On 1/20/25 13:32, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>>     > The website works so clearly their IPs are announced.
> >>>     >
> >>>     > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:00?AM Bryan Holloway via Outages-
> >>>     discussion
> >>>     > <outages-discussion at outages.org <mailto:outages-
> >>>     discussion at outages.org> <mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org
> >>>     <mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org>>>
> >>>     > wrote:
> >>>     >
> >>>     >     Keep reading all these mainstream news reports that Tiktok
> >>>     "service has
> >>>     >     been restored", but I've seen no evidence of this on our US
> >>>     networks:
> >>>     >     transit, IXes, PNIs, etc.
> >>>     >
> >>>     >     No change in their number of prefixes advertised.
> >>>     >
> >>>     >     Is it just me?
> >>>     >
> >>>     >     _______________________________________________
> >>>     >     Outages-discussion mailing list
> >>>     > Outages-discussion at outages.org <mailto:Outages-
> >>>     discussion at outages.org> <mailto:Outages-discussion at outages.org
> >>>     <mailto:Outages-discussion at outages.org>>
> >>>     > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion
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> >>>     >     <https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-
> >>>     discussion <https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-
> >>>     discussion>>
> >>>     >
> >>>
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From bryan at shout.net  Mon Jan 20 18:48:15 2025
From: bryan at shout.net (Bryan Holloway)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 19:48:15 +0100
Subject: [Outages-discussion] tiktok back? not seeing it.
In-Reply-To: <b82f8bd8-b8c7-4dc6-8baa-6a545683f8e9@Spark>
References: <45f8b6cd-2044-438d-8205-8cfe0ea12690@shout.net>
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So now we're seeing some inbound, but it's coming over transit instead 
of our PNIs or IXes.

But at least our customers are starting to see their cat videos ... I 
need a drink.


On 1/20/25 19:14, Tim Burke via Outages-discussion wrote:
> Same behavior here.??We do not have any peering with 396986, if that is 
> a helpful data point. Normally see 8-10Gbps come in via them, but only a 
> few mbps today. Rest of it seems to be coming in via our PNIs with 
> Akamai/20940...
> On Jan 20, 2025 at 06:48 -0600, Josh Luthman via Outages-discussion 
> <outages-discussion at outages.org>, wrote:
>> Https://tiktok.com <Https://tiktok.com> loads as expected.? Videos are 
>> playing. What would suggest it isn't fully restored?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:38?AM Bryan Holloway <bryan at shout.net 
>> <mailto:bryan at shout.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Agreed, but that wasn't really my point.
>>
>>     Claiming that service is restored != "Tiktok is temporarily
>>     unavailable"
>>     messages on their web-site.
>>
>>     To be more clear: has any network operators in the US definitively
>>     confirmed that ACTUAL tangible/useful service has been restored?
>>
>>
>>     On 1/20/25 13:32, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>     > The website works so clearly their IPs are announced.
>>     >
>>     > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 7:00?AM Bryan Holloway via Outages-discussion
>>     > <outages-discussion at outages.org <mailto:outages-
>>     discussion at outages.org> <mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org
>>     <mailto:outages-discussion at outages.org>>>
>>     > wrote:
>>     >
>>     >? ? ?Keep reading all these mainstream news reports that Tiktok
>>     "service has
>>     >? ? ?been restored", but I've seen no evidence of this on our US
>>     networks:
>>     >? ? ?transit, IXes, PNIs, etc.
>>     >
>>     >? ? ?No change in their number of prefixes advertised.
>>     >
>>     >? ? ?Is it just me?
>>     >
>>     >? ? ?_______________________________________________
>>     >? ? ?Outages-discussion mailing list
>>     > Outages-discussion at outages.org <mailto:Outages-
>>     discussion at outages.org> <mailto:Outages-discussion at outages.org
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