<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I was replying to the post before mine, which had nothing to do with local public safety facilities...<br class="">
<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 21, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Frank Bulk <<a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com" class="">frnkblk@iname.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Shifting to outages-discussion<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I don’t follow your assessment – almost every public safety facility (local police, fire and rescue, ambulance, etc) doesn’t have local loop redundancy. Large facilities such as hospitals and major LEA headquarters, as well as PSAPs, but not the those smaller public safety facilities. That’s not a reflection of VZ’s engineering, that’s just a reflection of reality. They have redundancy through their radio communications.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Frank<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Outages [<a href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org" class="">mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Charles Sprickman via Outages<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:16 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ryan Chewning <<a href="mailto:ryan@chewning.us" class="">ryan@chewning.us</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" class="">outages@outages.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [outages] Verizon Issues?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">So in other words, VZ has under-engineered their network so that a single point of failure brings the entire 911 system down for the region? At the prices government pays for telco contracts, one would hope that’s not the case.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">-- <br class="">Charles Sprickman<br class="">NetEng/SysAdmin<br class=""><a href="http://bway.net/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Bway.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- New York's Best Internet <a href="http://www.bway.net/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.bway.net</a><br class=""><a href="mailto:spork@bway.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">spork@bway.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- 212.982.9800<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Apr 21, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Ryan Chewning via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">The 911 PSAP trunks / lines are provided by the LEC to the 911 center in most cases. If there aren't any other LECs near by then yes the 911 PSAPs could be without service. Not to mention that the radio traffic for some radio systems might travel over parts of the VZ network that are damaged. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Charles Goorsky via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">So I'm skeptical about the truth of this comment, and I'm wondering if someone could set me a bit straighter:<br class=""><br class="">"These reckless perpetrators are risking the lives of countless Americans by cutting access to key lines of communications, especially to local police, fire and rescue personnel."<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Don't the local lines to police / fire go through the 911 dispatch? Wouldn't that be a municipal (city-owned) communications platform? If this is the case, wouldn't landline calls to 911 still work just fine?<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Wouldn't a non-Verizon cellphone still also be able to get a call through?<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Damian Menscher via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 11:30 AM, chris via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Anyone aware of any known outages/issues for FIOS? Have a handful of customers in northern NJ with business FIOS with 50%+ packet loss on all verizon hops. We have checked these customers and theres no congestion on their networks.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">We're aware of the Verizon strike in progress and wondering if maybe some repair or maintenance is not being done because of the strike?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">...or possibly worse: <a href="http://www.verizon.com/about/news/criminals-put-thousands-verizon-customers-out-service-cutting-cables-and-damaging-network" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.verizon.com/about/news/criminals-put-thousands-verizon-customers-out-service-cutting-cables-and-damaging-network</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Damian<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">If anyone from VZ has ability to dig deeper or if anyone else is seeing similar issues would be good to hear.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">_______________________________________________<br class="">Outages mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Outages@outages.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Outages@outages.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages</a><o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""><br class=""><br clear="all" class=""><br class=""><span class="hoenzb">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span class="hoenzb"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class="">W. 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