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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/21/2016 1:54 PM, Patrick W.
Gilmore wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">PagerDuty should, at minimum, run
their own DNS in addition to using someone like Dyn. Not put all
their DNS eggs in a single basket.<br class="">
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<div class="">It’s usually a good idea to have redundancy at every
level. But I worry about people who want to run their own NS as
well as someone like Dyn. Mostly because a lot of people will
run that NS on their own LAN. When a large DDoS comes… well, you
get the picture.</div>
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<div class="">If you are looking for a company who does it
“right”, how about:</div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class="">Fri
Oct 21 14:52:47 dhcp-220-234:patrick:~ $ dig +short ns <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://pornhub.com" class="">pornhub.com</a></span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sdns3.ultradns.com"
class="">sdns3.ultradns.com</a>.</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns3.p44.dynect.net"
class="">ns3.p44.dynect.net</a>.</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns1.p44.dynect.net"
class="">ns1.p44.dynect.net</a>.</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sdns3.ultradns.net"
class="">sdns3.ultradns.net</a>.</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns2.p44.dynect.net"
class="">ns2.p44.dynect.net</a>.</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns4.p44.dynect.net"
class="">ns4.p44.dynect.net</a>.</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sdns3.ultradns.org"
class="">sdns3.ultradns.org</a>.</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sdns3.ultradns.biz"
class="">sdns3.ultradns.biz</a>.</span></div>
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<div class="">Look at that - multiple managed DNS providers, and
4 separate TLDs!</div>
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<div class="">:-)</div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family: Inconsolata;" class="">-- </span></div>
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<div class="">On Oct 21, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Seth Mattinen <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sethm@rollernet.us"
class="">sethm@rollernet.us</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">On 10/21/16 10:16, Chris Adams wrote:<br
class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">[moved to
outages-discussion]<br class="">
<br class="">
Once upon a time, Patrick W. Gilmore via Outages <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:outages@outages.org" class="">outages@outages.org</a>>
said:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">> However, Dyn is
far, far better positioned to withstand attacks than a
company like PagerDuty could possibly be on their own.
So I think PagerDuty did the right thing in using Dyn.<br
class="">
</blockquote>
The flip side is that the concentration of services in
"specialist"<br class="">
hands makes it easier to attack a large number of
companies at once. If<br class="">
PagerDuty ran their own DNS, they are not a likely
target of an attack,<br class="">
so would be unaffected.<br class="">
</blockquote>
<br class="">
<br class="">
PagerDuty should, at minimum, run their own DNS in
addition to using someone like Dyn. Not put all their DNS
eggs in a single basket.<br class="">
<br class="">
Maybe Dyn needs to deploy anycast nodes at every internet
exchange of every size and scale instead of relying on a
small number of beefy anycast nodes in select locations if
their customers are going to have a single point of
failure.<br class="">
<br class="">
Look at eBay:<br class="">
<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sjc-dns1.ebaydns.com" class="">sjc-dns1.ebaydns.com</a>.<br
class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sjc-dns2.ebaydns.com" class="">sjc-dns2.ebaydns.com</a>.<br
class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://smf-dns1.ebaydns.com" class="">smf-dns1.ebaydns.com</a>.<br
class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://smf-dns2.ebaydns.com" class="">smf-dns2.ebaydns.com</a>.<br
class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns1.p47.dynect.net"
class="">ns1.p47.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns2.p47.dynect.net"
class="">ns2.p47.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns3.p47.dynect.net"
class="">ns3.p47.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns4.p47.dynect.net"
class="">ns4.p47.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
<br class="">
But then PayPal falls flat:<br class="">
<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://paypal.com"
class="">paypal.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns1.p57.dynect.net"
class="">ns1.p57.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://paypal.com"
class="">paypal.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns2.p57.dynect.net"
class="">ns2.p57.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://paypal.com"
class="">paypal.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns3.p57.dynect.net"
class="">ns3.p57.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://paypal.com"
class="">paypal.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns4.p57.dynect.net"
class="">ns4.p57.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
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