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    <p>Well of course... all hell breaks loose if people can't get their
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/21/2016 1:54 PM, Patrick W.
      Gilmore wrote:<br>
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      <blockquote type="cite" class="">PagerDuty should, at minimum, run
        their own DNS in addition to using someone like Dyn. Not put all
        their DNS eggs in a single basket.<br class="">
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      <div class="">It’s usually a good idea to have redundancy at every
        level. But I worry about people who want to run their own NS as
        well as someone like Dyn. Mostly because a lot of people will
        run that NS on their own LAN. When a large DDoS comes… well, you
        get the picture.</div>
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      <div class="">If you are looking for a company who does it
        “right”, how about:</div>
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        <div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class="">Fri
            Oct 21 14:52:47 dhcp-220-234:patrick:~ $ dig +short ns <a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://pornhub.com" class="">pornhub.com</a></span></div>
        <div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sdns3.ultradns.com"
              class="">sdns3.ultradns.com</a>.</span></div>
        <div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns3.p44.dynect.net"
              class="">ns3.p44.dynect.net</a>.</span></div>
        <div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns1.p44.dynect.net"
              class="">ns1.p44.dynect.net</a>.</span></div>
        <div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sdns3.ultradns.net"
              class="">sdns3.ultradns.net</a>.</span></div>
        <div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns2.p44.dynect.net"
              class="">ns2.p44.dynect.net</a>.</span></div>
        <div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns4.p44.dynect.net"
              class="">ns4.p44.dynect.net</a>.</span></div>
        <div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sdns3.ultradns.org"
              class="">sdns3.ultradns.org</a>.</span></div>
        <div class=""><span style="font-family: monospace;" class=""><a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sdns3.ultradns.biz"
              class="">sdns3.ultradns.biz</a>.</span></div>
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      <div class="">
        <div class="">Look at that - multiple managed DNS providers, and
          4 separate TLDs!</div>
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          <div class="">:-)</div>
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          <div class="">On Oct 21, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Seth Mattinen <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sethm@rollernet.us"
              class="">sethm@rollernet.us</a>> wrote:</div>
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            <div class="">On 10/21/16 10:16, Chris Adams wrote:<br
                class="">
              <blockquote type="cite" class="">[moved to
                outages-discussion]<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Once upon a time, Patrick W. Gilmore via Outages <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:outages@outages.org" class="">outages@outages.org</a>>
                said:<br class="">
                <blockquote type="cite" class="">> However, Dyn is
                  far, far better positioned to withstand attacks than a
                  company like PagerDuty could possibly be on their own.
                  So I think PagerDuty did the right thing in using Dyn.<br
                    class="">
                </blockquote>
                The flip side is that the concentration of services in
                "specialist"<br class="">
                hands makes it easier to attack a large number of
                companies at once.  If<br class="">
                PagerDuty ran their own DNS, they are not a likely
                target of an attack,<br class="">
                so would be unaffected.<br class="">
              </blockquote>
              <br class="">
              <br class="">
              PagerDuty should, at minimum, run their own DNS in
              addition to using someone like Dyn. Not put all their DNS
              eggs in a single basket.<br class="">
              <br class="">
              Maybe Dyn needs to deploy anycast nodes at every internet
              exchange of every size and scale instead of relying on a
              small number of beefy anycast nodes in select locations if
              their customers are going to have a single point of
              failure.<br class="">
              <br class="">
              Look at eBay:<br class="">
              <br class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://sjc-dns1.ebaydns.com" class="">sjc-dns1.ebaydns.com</a>.<br
                class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://sjc-dns2.ebaydns.com" class="">sjc-dns2.ebaydns.com</a>.<br
                class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://smf-dns1.ebaydns.com" class="">smf-dns1.ebaydns.com</a>.<br
                class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://smf-dns2.ebaydns.com" class="">smf-dns2.ebaydns.com</a>.<br
                class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns1.p47.dynect.net"
                class="">ns1.p47.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns2.p47.dynect.net"
                class="">ns2.p47.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns3.p47.dynect.net"
                class="">ns3.p47.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ebay.com" class="">ebay.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns4.p47.dynect.net"
                class="">ns4.p47.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
              <br class="">
              But then PayPal falls flat:<br class="">
              <br class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://paypal.com"
                class="">paypal.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns1.p57.dynect.net"
                class="">ns1.p57.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://paypal.com"
                class="">paypal.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns2.p57.dynect.net"
                class="">ns2.p57.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://paypal.com"
                class="">paypal.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns3.p57.dynect.net"
                class="">ns3.p57.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://paypal.com"
                class="">paypal.com</a>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">    </span>172800<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>IN<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>NS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span><a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ns4.p57.dynect.net"
                class="">ns4.p57.dynect.net</a>.<br class="">
              <br class="">
              ~Seth<br class="">
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