<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hey, im one of those who post cat pictures, I guess I could start posting them here… when facebook is down…<div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 3, 2018, at 1:07 PM, James <<a href="mailto:jamesam@gmail.com" class="">jamesam@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">It’s up for us here in the Midwest. So we can chip away at some of those 200 million office workers that can’t post their cat pictures.</div></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:52 PM Charles Sprickman <<a href="mailto:spork@bway.net" class="">spork@bway.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Yeah, I’m top-posting, so sue me. :p<br class=""><br class="">That it’s even a debate that any event that causes ISPs and I’m sure internal network groups (because people totally use FB in the office) to have an avalanche of phone calls just boggles the mind.<br class=""><br class="">Yeah, error page, not reachable - does the average user consider that before calling for support? No. No they do ot. They probably can’t even tell you what the error said. This is totally relevant for this list. Also love that the people that say calling about a handful of DIDs on some random provider posting that is totally relevant but one of the top websites in the world being down should not be reported here because “I don’t use FB” or some other nonsense. Also love that they post those complaints on the main list and don’t see the irony of THAT nonsense...<br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Charles Sprickman<br class="">NetEng/SysAdmin<br class=""><a href="http://Bway.net" class="">Bway.net</a> - New York's Best Internet<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.bway.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">www.bway.net</a><br class=""><a href="mailto:spork@bway.net" target="_blank" class="">spork@bway.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- 212.982.9800<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">> On Aug 3, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@greenie.muc.de" target="_blank" class="">gert@greenie.muc.de</a>> wrote:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Hi,<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 07:20:00PM +0000, Chris Mayhew via Outages wrote:<br class="">>> I agree that this is the wrong place for application outages, be it Slack, Facebook or Google. For those who are concerned when these applications go down, it would be more appropriate to start an application outages list.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> It is not "wrong place". It is exactly the right place, according to<br class="">> the spirit of the list - in particular, the section<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> "The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup<br class="">> and report so that end users & network operators know why their<br class="">> services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to<br class="">> open tons of trouble tickets during a major event"<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> It might have been initially formed for "network outages", but tbh,<br class="">> "facebook does not work" is going to interest WAY more NOC folks out<br class="">> there than "I have lost an E1 in southern nowhere".<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> It might be necessary to rewrite the published charter to explicitely<br class="">> list "major application outages", if only to avoid this silly repeating<br class="">> discussion every few months. Which, given that those that complain are<br class="">> too inconsiderate to use outages-discussion, creates MORE traffic than<br class="">> real outages of the past few weeks...<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> gert<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never doubted<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor."<br class="">> Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Gert Doering - Munich, Germany <a href="mailto:gert@greenie.muc.de" target="_blank" class="">gert@greenie.muc.de</a><br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> Outages-discussion mailing list<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Outages-discussion@outages.org" target="_blank" class="">Outages-discussion@outages.org</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion</a><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Outages-discussion mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Outages-discussion@outages.org" target="_blank" class="">Outages-discussion@outages.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion</a><br class=""></blockquote></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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