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The fact that some people on this distro think Facebook DOESN'T provide business critical services tells me there is lack of awareness among some distro users. Just because a service might not be used in your particular employer or surrounding territory does
not mean it just magically does not exist or isn't significant enough to call out on a distro list about outages.
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What I'm seeing increasingly here (not just with facebook but other outages like YouTube, Google, Slack, etc) is either silo phenomena arrogance ("I just do network engineer stuff and that's all I care about nothing else matters even if they share network impact")
or just complete lack of awareness (like not knowing that slack is increasingly used by global dev/ops teams or that Facebook has OpenID like capabilities that are used for enterprise sign in at some organizations that are otherwise business critical).
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I'm no mod, so I don't enact changes, but if there's a suggestion I'd make, it's regular (quarterly? Monthly?) one time emails that go out to subscribed users on updated trends so users know what to expect. A one time call out BY THE MODS THEMSELVES that Facebook
outages are okay to call out apparently is not enough for some users, so... <br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:28:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ferullo, Michael J.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Not to be a negative Nancy, but the “me too‘s” are probably less valid of a post than the perceived less valuable social media outage posts.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Facebook does now host and provide business productivity tools, so does that change any relevance?</div>
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On Nov 20, 2018, at 7:25 AM, Ferullo, Michael J. via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Also much in agreement here. I signed up for this list for exactly what Mike stated: meaningful business critical services. I’d suggest someone spearhead the creation
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Outages <<a href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org">outages-bounces@outages.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steven McCrory via Outages<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Mike Bolitho' <<a href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com">mikebolitho@gmail.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:outages@ics-il.net">outages@ics-il.net</a>; <a href="mailto:outages@outages.org">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [outages] facebook slow</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Wholeheartedly agree</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Bolitho via Outages<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 November 2018 15:18<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [outages] facebook slow</p>
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etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<b>To: </b>"jimmy keffer" <<a href="mailto:horsezip@earthlink.net" target="_blank">horsezip@earthlink.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank">outages@outages.org</a><br>
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I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list.</span></p>
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