<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Sometimes they intersect… In this case, World Affairs -> Action by Cogent -> Outage.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Do you really have trouble following that line?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 4, 2022, at 12:37 , Savarrah Goss <<a href="mailto:Savarrah.Goss@hamiltonrelay.com" class="">Savarrah.Goss@hamiltonrelay.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; 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text-decoration: underline;" class="">outages-discussion@outages.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Outages-discussion] Cogent disconnecting Russia<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><p class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; color: red;" class="">**This email originated from outside of the Hamilton network. Please use extra caution with links and attachments. **</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I disagree. <span style="" class="">It seems pretty obvious the ’neutral power’ reference are the signatory nations to the Convention not engaged in conflict and not every private entity therein. As such the US (in this case) couldn’t direct Cogent to disconnect from Russia and not Ukraine, but Cogent is free, as a private entity, to choose not to do business with companies in Russia.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">The US is not directing Cogent to this action so the US is not in violation of the Convention, and Cogent is not a signatory to the Convention.<br class=""><br class=""></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Mar 4, 2022, at 2:59 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It’s clear from the second paragraph of I.9 that this convention is written<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">to apply to “powers” (i.e. governments) and that each government is expected<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">to enforce compliance by companies operating under its “flag” for lack of a<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">better term.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As such, it seems, at least in theory that Cogent would be expected to be<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">of the same posture (neutrality or not) as the U.S. overall. I think it would<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">be hard to claim that the U.S. is either entirely neutral or entirely in support<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">of Ukraine under current conditions, so I guess that leaves Cogent free to<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">choose anywhere on that spectrum they wish as well.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Personally, I’m of mixed opinion. I support doing whatever we can to hurt<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Putin and the leadership of Russia that has created this situation, but I am<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">not convinced that cutting off access to outside information for millions of<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Russian citizens is not counterproductive to that end.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Owen<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Mar 4, 2022, at 11:36 , Matthew Petach <<a href="mailto:matt@petach.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">matt@petach.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If they're going to follow the War Conventions in the Hauge, they should likewise terminate all customer connections to Ukraine as well, if they're considering themselves to be a neutral party. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Of course, that doesn't apply if they're taking a side as a participant in the conflict.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Shamelessly copying from Sean Donelan...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br class=""><a href="https://www.icrc.org/en" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; color: rgb(66, 133, 244);" class="">https://www.icrc.org/en</span></a><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class=""><br class=""><br class="">Convention (V) respecting the Rights and Duties of Neutral Powers and<br class="">Persons in Case of War on Land. The Hague, 18 October 1907.<br class=""><br class="">CHAPTER I : THE RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF NEUTRAL POWERS - ART. 8.<br class=""><br class="">Art. 8. A neutral Power is not called upon to forbid or restrict the use<br class="">on behalf of the belligerents of telegraph or telephone cables or of<br class="">wireless telegraphy apparatus belonging to it or to companies or private<br class="">individuals.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">CHAPTER I : THE RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF NEUTRAL POWERS - ART. 9.<br class=""><br class="">Art. 9. Every measure of restriction or prohibition taken by a neutral<br class="">Power in regard to the matters referred to in Articles 7 and 8<br class="">must be impartially applied by it to both belligerents.<br class=""><br class="">A neutral Power must see to the same obligation being observed by<br class="">companies or private individuals owning telegraph or telephone cables or<br class="">wireless telegraphy apparatus.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 11:20 Andy Ringsmuth <<a href="mailto:andy@andyring.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">andy@andyring.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Apparently effective at noon EDT, which would be a couple hours ago.<br class=""><br class="">Washington Post, but here’s a paywall-free archive:<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://archive.ph/TFgyg" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://archive.ph/TFgyg</a><o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; 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