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As a voip provider whose traffic is almost all UDP and a lot of it I had no idea this was something that people, much less ISPs thought. I have never come across the idea that UDP traffic through routers at least in my experience was being rate limited.
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Outages-discussion <outages-discussion-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Gert Doering via Outages-discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 18, 2023 7:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Outages Discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Outages-discussion] NTT - High Latency between Dallas and LA exchanges</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Hi,<br>
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On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 08:18:58AM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore via Outages-discussion wrote:<br>
> Yet you think this is Google???s fault by advocating for an open protocol which has objective benefits to end users? What am I missing?<br>
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Building a new protocol on top of UDP when it's well-known that many<br>
ISPs rate-limit UDP (due to "there is no large amounts of UDP in the<br>
wide area Internet, except for reflective DDoS crap") is not exactly<br>
a very smart move.<br>
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Nothing about QUIC is really a smart move, beyond "we're google, we can<br>
do what we want" - and IETF being what it is, if you have strong enough<br>
vendor backing, you can get anything standardized.<br>
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gert<br>
-- <br>
"If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you <br>
feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never doubted <br>
it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor."<br>
Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress<br>
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Gert Doering - Munich, Germany gert@greenie.muc.de<br>
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