[outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22

Thu Feb 22 15:04:59 EST 2024

This is where someone pops in and reminds folks about -discuss.

JM

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 2:52 PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
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> If only it were that simple – real Maple Syrup however would be awfully
> expensive to use in large quantities to shield from solar flares….
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> *From:* Michael B. Williams <michael.williams at glexia.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 2:45 PM
> *To:* mike tancsa <mike at sentex.net>
> *Cc:* Steele, John <john.steele at ennis.k12.tx.us>; Lederer, Linda <
> llederer at quakervalleyfoods.com>; outages <outages at outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
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> Are you implying Maple Syrup protects against EMP? (Not financial advice)
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> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 6:44 AM mike tancsa via Outages <
> outages at outages.org> wrote:
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> We were not impacted in Canada as our abundant Maple Syrup and other
> shielding cliches provided protection from the storm.
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>     ---Mike
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> On 2/22/2024 2:36 PM, Steele, John via Outages wrote:
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> That is bull. I'm a HAM and we have had R3's many times and nothing like
> that happened.  She has no clue.
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> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:01 PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
> outages at outages.org> wrote:
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> Haha neither do I but look at the source of that Tweet.
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> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces at outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Jeff
> Martinez via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 1:45 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
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> https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279
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> I don’t buy it!
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> JM
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> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces at outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Sterling
> Jaynes via Outages
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> *Cc:* outages <outages at outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
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> Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where
> it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being
> flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their network (which is
> what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up
> quickly.
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> Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who
> can’t contact AT&T users.
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> Sterling Jaynes
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> Director of IT Operations
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> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces at outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Jim Harton
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> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:25 PM
> *To:* Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Cc:* outages <outages at outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
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> A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least
> locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to
> call individuals on AT&T.  In two cases of individuals I talked to they had
> full voice and data.  I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers
> being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another
> carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.
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> Example from news:
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> > Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its
> network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
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> > T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an
> outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect
> customers attempting to reach users on other networks.
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> Source:
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938
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> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44 AM Josh Luthman via Outages <
> outages at outages.org> wrote:
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> Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like
> speculation at this point.
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> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39 PM Owen DeLong via Outages <
> outages at outages.org> wrote:
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> Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using
> e-sims instead.
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> (Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need
> to work with a backwards carrier).
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> I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo
> which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US.
> (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well
> (several of them were also mentioned).
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> An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.
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> Owen
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> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages at outages.org>
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>  Agreed!
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> After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email
> signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a
> huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages
> happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort
> offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack
> thereof).
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> Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell
> phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another
> carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use
> the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.
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> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <
> outages at outages.org> wrote:
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> Remember.  This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by
> humans.       At least for now…..  😊
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> -richey
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> *From: *Outages <outages-bounces at outages.org> on behalf of Kenny Sallee
> via Outages <outages at outages.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
> *To: *Lederer, Linda <llederer at quakervalleyfoods.com>
> *Cc: *outages <outages at outages.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
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> I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software
> are going to fail and have backup plans/methods.  Either the business pays
> for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects
> the bottom line.  It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business
> is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy.  But if we are out for
> x hours it will cost y dollars.  What's your business decision: pay for
> redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a
> technical issue; it is a business issue.
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> ;)
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> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38 AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
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> We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this
> has been lovely….
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> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces at outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Begarowicz,
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> Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of
> them  just not at the same time..   I agree cant wait to see the post
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> One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t
> appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have
> no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and
> receive calls.
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> Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G
> service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones
> sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others
> having no service at all.
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> I’d love to see the postmortem on this.
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> Jeremy
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