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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks, Ken, for reminding me that discussions should go to outages-discussion. This is the last post on this issue until Jason gives us a status update or that it’s fixed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Frank<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ken J Guy [mailto:Ken.Guy@ambest.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 05, 2011 4:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> George Bonser<br><b>Cc:</b> frnkblk@iname.com; outages@outages.org; outages-bounces@outages.org; Owen DeLong<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [outages] Major Fiber Cut in Miami<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm sorry to be a kvetch, but it seems to me that a simple outage notification on the "Outages" list has turned into a colloquium on SONET failure modes. If I should be in a different venue please flame away, but the SNR here for "Outages" lately is sometimes as bad as NANOG.</span> <br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ken Guy<br>Network Architect<br>AM Best Company</span> <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>From:</span> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"George Bonser" <gbonser@seven.com></span> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>To:</span> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><frnkblk@iname.com>, "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com></span> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Cc:</span> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>outages@outages.org</span> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Date:</span> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>03/05/2011 04:52 PM</span> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Subject:</span> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Re: [outages] Major Fiber Cut in Miami</span> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Sent by:</span> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>outages-bounces@outages.org</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 1:27 PM</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> To: 'Owen DeLong'</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Cc: <a href="mailto:outages@outages.org">outages@outages.org</a></span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Subject: Re: [outages] Major Fiber Cut in Miami</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> </span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> While you're technically correct, it's not how it's commonly</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> implemented.</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Well, maybe it's more common than I was aware. =) It's not how</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> regional and</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> state fiber networks in our neck of the woods do it.</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> </span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Frank</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Concur. If a customer buys a "ring" they expect a ring. Protection is</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>implied. If they buy a point-to-point, that is a different story. A</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>protected point-to-point might be provisioned on a ring or it might be</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>provisioned with two separate point-to-point circuits.</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>A "SONET ring failure" would require two faults. That said, I have seen</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>cases where both sides of the ring enter a building by the same trench</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>allowing one case of backhoe fade to take out the entire building. </span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><br><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>_______________________________________________</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Outages mailing list</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:Outages@outages.org">Outages@outages.org</a></span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages"><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages</span></tt></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><br></span><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 style='background:white'><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <FONT COLOR=000000> <FONT SIZE=2> <br>================================================================================================<br>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or<br>privileged material. 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