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Wow, I wake up to quite the storm. Outage was restored early
Saturday afternoon. I was relaying what was told to me, which was
not very much. I was fishing to see if anyone else was affected.
I'll be looking for an RFO.<br>
<br>
Jason<br>
<br>
On 03/05/2011 10:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
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<p>Thanks Jay.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 5, 2011 9:43 PM, "Jay Ashworth"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jra@baylink.com">jra@baylink.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
> Nope; you're right. Folks; please move the SONET semantics
discussion to,<br>
> um, outages-discuss?<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> -- jra<br>
> <br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "Ken J Guy" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Ken.Guy@ambest.com">Ken.Guy@ambest.com</a>><br>
>> To: "George Bonser" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gbonser@seven.com">gbonser@seven.com</a>><br>
>> Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:outages@outages.org">outages@outages.org</a>, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org">outages-bounces@outages.org</a><br>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:40:27 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [outages] Major Fiber Cut in Miami<br>
>> I'm sorry to be a kvetch, but it seems to me that a
simple outage<br>
>> notification on the "Outages" list has turned into a
colloquium on<br>
>> SONET<br>
>> failure modes. If I should be in a different venue
please flame away,<br>
>> but<br>
>> the SNR here for "Outages" lately is sometimes as bad
as NANOG.<br>
>> <br>
>> Ken Guy<br>
>> Network Architect<br>
>> AM Best Company<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> From:<br>
>> "George Bonser" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gbonser@seven.com">gbonser@seven.com</a>><br>
>> To:<br>
>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com">frnkblk@iname.com</a>>,
"Owen DeLong" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
>> Cc:<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:outages@outages.org">outages@outages.org</a><br>
>> Date:<br>
>> 03/05/2011 04:52 PM<br>
>> Subject:<br>
>> Re: [outages] Major Fiber Cut in Miami<br>
>> Sent by:<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org">outages-bounces@outages.org</a><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> > On Behalf Of Frank Bulk<br>
>> > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 1:27 PM<br>
>> > To: 'Owen DeLong'<br>
>> > Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:outages@outages.org">outages@outages.org</a><br>
>> > Subject: Re: [outages] Major Fiber Cut in Miami<br>
>> ><br>
>> > While you're technically correct, it's not how
it's commonly<br>
>> > implemented.<br>
>> > Well, maybe it's more common than I was aware. =)
It's not how<br>
>> > regional and<br>
>> > state fiber networks in our neck of the woods do
it.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Frank<br>
>> <br>
>> Concur. If a customer buys a "ring" they expect a ring.
Protection is<br>
>> implied. If they buy a point-to-point, that is a
different story. A<br>
>> protected point-to-point might be provisioned on a ring
or it might be<br>
>> provisioned with two separate point-to-point circuits.<br>
>> <br>
>> A "SONET ring failure" would require two faults. That
said, I have<br>
>> seen<br>
>> cases where both sides of the ring enter a building by
the same trench<br>
>> allowing one case of backhoe fade to take out the
entire building.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
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