<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 February 2013 01:04, Carlos Alvarez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carlos@televolve.com" target="_blank">carlos@televolve.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Stephen Wilcox <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve.wilcox@ixreach.com" target="_blank">steve.wilcox@ixreach.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>It should be but it seems to have descended into website outage, dns blips and localised cable provider reporting lately. </div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps time for a new list with less noise?</div></blockquote><div>
<br></div></div><div>Or a stronger definition of "major?" I recently started a discussion on a state-wide Cox outage. That seems major to me, but I really don't know if that's within the list terms. Many times people post up that their one home internet connection is down, which clearly is outside the scope. Some better definition and enforcement of such may help.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe someone can update the mailman page which defines the list's purpose and perhaps step in with some occasional moderation? Who exactly are the list owners (not the server, the list)..</div>
<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote">
<div>There was a discussion on whether Facebook is a major part of "infrastructure" some time ago. As much as most of us would like to say it's not, the reality is that to many end users it is the internet or the e-mail system. Does this list apply to that?</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Based on this: "<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:Times;font-size:medium">failures of major communications infrastructure components having significant traffic-carrying capacity"</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>I would say this is backbone fibre outages only, sea cable cuts, full regional affecting issues etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Websites and DNS belongs to NANOG.. or <a href="http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com">downforeveryoneorjustme.com</a> </div>
<div><br></div><div>Put another way, I can work out myself if there is a facebook or google outage and dont need to compare reports from 100 areas of the world none of which factor in the technology which distributed applications and sites use.</div>
<div><br></div><div>What I think the above defines is clear "cable X is cut on bridge Y between cities A and B affecting providers L+M who both use this duct" type of notifications - things that are precise and fundamental in their nature.</div>
<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>I'm subscribed here so I can learn of things that will affect our customers, and therefore us. We are a VoIP hosted service company with customers globally, to IP and PSTN outages everywhere affect us.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Exactly, and they will be continual and high volume in nature.. you will only gain real value in knowing of large infrastructure problems which affect many things simultaneously.</div>
<div><br></div><div>my 2c.</div><div>Steve</div><div><br></div></div>