<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I absolutely and vehemently disagree. The first signs of a network outage *are* application outages. If you tell people not to report major application outages--and let's face it, Facebook's 200 million US customers is major--then we'll miss out on crucial early detection and troubleshooting opportunities. And what applications are we talking about, exactly? Does VoIP become an application, something that should no longer be discussed? It doesn't make sense to me to narrow the focus of this list that much.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">My $0.02. With that said, this really should be on the discussion list. I guess I need to make sure I'm even subscribed to that one.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">John</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 1:21 PM Chris Mayhew via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I agree that this is the wrong place for application outages, be it Slack, Facebook or Google. For those who are concerned when these applications go down, it would be more appropriate to start
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Neal Lawson via Outages<br>
<b>Sent:</b> August 3, 2018 15:16<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [outages] Facebook Outage<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Point of order.. should this not belong on outages-discussion?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="http://Facebook.com" target="_blank">Facebook.com</a> doesn't load. It is the third most visited website in the world after all. I'm sure there are others that benefit from knowing this information.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's disappointing you're starting a discussion on the non-discussion list this odd complaint is not appropriate here.<u></u><u></u></p>
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