<div dir="ltr">If only there was a discussion list, to discuss what is and is not on topic for the outages mailing list. If it were me, I'd name it outages-discussion. ;-)<div><br></div><div>Ken</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 8:47 AM Christopher Conley via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">“Also, it’s worth pointing out that the by-chatter on this issue has generated ten times the traffic that the original notification did. If a notification isn’t useful to you in particular, surely you can let it go by without comment.”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But if you just ignore it like a reasonable person, other people wouldn’t know that they’re being
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Outages <<a href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org" target="_blank">outages-bounces@outages.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Otto, Doug <<a href="mailto:dotto@phs.org" target="_blank">dotto@phs.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank">outages@outages.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [outages] facebook slow<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Agreed. For example, we’re an educational setting, and it’s in common use for community communications here. Also, it’s worth pointing out that the by-chatter on this issue has generated ten times the traffic that the original notification
did. If a notification isn’t useful to you in particular, surely you can let it go by without comment.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:27 AM, Otto, Doug via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Whether Facebook is or isn’t business critical depends on the nature of the business. If it’s not important to you, ignore the email. What’s so hard about that?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Outages <<a href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages-bounces@outages.org</span></a>>
on behalf of "Ferullo, Michael J. via Outages" <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@outages.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Reply-To:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Ferullo, Michael J." <<a href="mailto:mferullo@hinckleyallen.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mferullo@hinckleyallen.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 8:25 AM<br>
<b>To:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>'Steven McCrory' <<a href="mailto:steven@simplyip.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">steven@simplyip.net</span></a>>, 'Mike Bolitho' <<a href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mikebolitho@gmail.com</span></a>>,
"<a href="mailto:outages@ics-il.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@ics-il.net</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:outages@ics-il.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@ics-il.net</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"'<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@outages.org</span></a>'" <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@outages.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [outages] facebook slow</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Also much in agreement here. I signed up for this list for exactly what Mike stated: meaningful business critical services. I’d suggest someone spearhead the creation of another
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#777779">28 State Street<br>
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p:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:617-378-4226" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">617-378-4226</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#e2231a"> | </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#777779">f:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:617-345-9020" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">617-345-9020</span></a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>Outages <<a href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages-bounces@outages.org</span></a>><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Steven
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>'Mike Bolitho' <<a href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mikebolitho@gmail.com</span></a>>;<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:outages@ics-il.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@ics-il.net</span></a>;<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@outages.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [outages] facebook slow<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>Outages <<a href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages-bounces@outages.org</span></a>><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mike
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>20 November 2018 15:18<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:outages@ics-il.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@ics-il.net</span></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@outages.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [outages] facebook slow<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating
the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. "</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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services, and therefore does not fit in this forum.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@outages.org</span></a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>To:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"jimmy keffer" <<a href="mailto:horsezip@earthlink.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">horsezip@earthlink.net</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">outages@outages.org</span></a><br>
<b>Sent:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:50:40 AM<br>
<b>Subject:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [outages] facebook slow<br>
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I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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