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<div class="">On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Ken Matlock via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" class="">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">If only there was a discussion list, to discuss what is and is not on topic for the outages mailing list.  If it were me, I'd name it outages-discussion. ;-)
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<div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 8:47 AM Christopher Conley via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" class="">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal">“Also, it’s worth pointing out that the by-chatter on this issue has generated ten times the traffic that the original notification did. If a notification isn’t useful to you in particular, surely you can let it go by without comment.”<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But if you just ignore it like a reasonable person, other people wouldn’t know that they’re being
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">From:</b> Outages <<a href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org" target="_blank" class="">outages-bounces@outages.org</a>>
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Rob Repp via Outages<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:33 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Otto, Doug <<a href="mailto:dotto@phs.org" target="_blank" class="">dotto@phs.org</a>><br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [outages] facebook slow<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Agreed. For example, we’re an educational setting, and it’s in common use for community communications here. Also, it’s worth pointing out that the by-chatter on this issue has generated ten times the traffic that the original notification
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:27 AM, Otto, Doug via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank" class="">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Whether Facebook is or isn’t business critical depends on the nature of the business. If it’s not important to you, ignore the email. What’s so hard about that?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">From:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">Outages <<a href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">outages-bounces@outages.org</span></a>>
 on behalf of "Ferullo, Michael J. via Outages" <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">outages@outages.org</span></a>><br class="">
<b class="">Reply-To:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Ferullo, Michael J." <<a href="mailto:mferullo@hinckleyallen.com" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">mferullo@hinckleyallen.com</span></a>><br class="">
<b class="">Date:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 8:25 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>'Steven McCrory' <<a href="mailto:steven@simplyip.net" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">steven@simplyip.net</span></a>>, 'Mike Bolitho' <<a href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">mikebolitho@gmail.com</span></a>>,
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<b class="">Cc:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"'<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">outages@outages.org</span></a>'" <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">outages@outages.org</span></a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [outages] facebook slow</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">From:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>Outages <<a href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">outages-bounces@outages.org</span></a>><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM<br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [outages] facebook slow<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">From:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>Outages <<a href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">outages-bounces@outages.org</span></a>><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span>20 November 2018 15:18<br class="">
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 phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" class="">On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">outages@outages.org</span></a>> wrote:</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<b class="">Sent:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:50:40 AM<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:<span class="m_3755475849029361944apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [outages] facebook slow<br class="">
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