<div dir="ltr">That is bull. I'm a HAM and we have had R3's many times and nothing like that happened. She has no clue.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:01 PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <<a href="mailto:outages@outages.org">outages@outages.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-6561997267358007842">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Martinez via Outages<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 22, 2024 1:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sterling Jaynes <<a href="mailto:sterling.jaynes@mactexas.com" target="_blank">sterling.jaynes@mactexas.com</a>>; Jim Harton <jim@cybersweat.shop>; Josh Luthman <<a href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com" target="_blank">josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Harton <<a href="mailto:jim@cybersweat.shop" target="_blank">jim@cybersweat.shop</a>>; Josh Luthman <<a href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com" target="_blank">josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their
network (which is what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up quickly.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who can’t contact AT&T users.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Josh Luthman <<a href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com" target="_blank">josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had full voice and data.
I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Source: <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938" target="_blank">https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like speculation at this point.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US. (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well (several of them were also
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<p class="MsoNormal">An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a huge amount of panic associated with this. <span style="color:black">Yes, it sucks that outages
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Lederer, Linda <<a href="mailto:llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com" target="_blank">llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or
they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision:
pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this has been lovely….<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 22, 2024 9:13 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [outages] ATT cellular network 2024-02-22</span> <u></u>
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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.<br>
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Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.<br>
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I’d love to see the postmortem on this.<br>
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Jeremy<br>
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