<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div dir="auto">Based on the comments in those messages, apparently the locations on the internet cabling were not selected carefully enough.<br><br>"...and routes around it."<br><br>Cheers,<br>-- jra</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto">On July 30, 2024 12:18:17 PM EDT, Bill Woodcock via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Also, from Rudolf:<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">"Rudolf van der Berg" <rudolfvanderberg@gmail.com><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b>Re: [net-econ] Attack on French vital infrastructures</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">July 30, 2024 at 14:10:48 GMT+2<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">net-econ@groups.io<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Resent-From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">rudolfvanderberg@gmail.com<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Reply-To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">net-econ@groups.io<br></span></div><br><div><div dir="ltr">A quick copy paste from something I wrote on a Dutch site. Google translated it <div><br></div><div><font style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px;vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit">Update: photos of broken cables </font></font><a href="https://x.com/nguillam/status/1817870929520677023" rel="external nofollow noopener" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit">https://x.com/nguillam/status/1817870929520677023</font></font></a><br style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px;vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit">A better source is Numerama. They also link to a number of twitter accounts of serious people in the French internet world who know what's going on. </font></font><a href="https://www.numerama.com/tech/1781538-le-reseau-de-fibre-optique-francais-victime-dun-sabotage-dans-la-nuit-quel-impact-sur-votre-connexion.html" rel="external nofollow noopener" title="https://www.numerama.com/tech/1781538-le-reseau-de-fibre-optique-francais-victime-dun-sabotage-dans-la-nuit-quel-impact-sur-votre-connexion.html" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit">https://www.numerama.com/...-sur-votre-connexion.html</font></font></a><br style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px;vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit">The affected cables are in 6 areas across the country: 11 (Aude), 34 (Hérault), 51 (Marne), 55 (Meuse), 13 (Bouches du Rhône) and 84 (Vaucluse). They seem to be mainly cables from the French operator SFR, which other operators, such as Free, OVH, Bouygues also use. The social effects seem to be limited. The traffic seems to be rerouted. The alternative route is sometimes not ideal, for example there are traceroutes that show that OVH to Orange seems to run via Singapore. </font></font><a href="https://x.com/BoolKiRool/status/1817819378395570206" rel="external nofollow noopener" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font style="vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit">https://x.com/BoolKiRool/status/1817819378395570206</font></font></a><br style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px;vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit">Downdetector does show that there is an impact, but it does not seem that large banks and other social services have been badly affected.</font></font><br style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px;vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit">Something similar happened 2 years ago, but the locations are not the same. There were speculations at the time that it could have been extremists (left/right), union members or angry employees. It remains unclear who they really were. So I would not dare to speculate now about who did this. In any case, France has often seen strange sabotage of telecom infrastructure, sometimes done by competing technicians from telcos! Monks have even been arrested for setting fire to masts.</font></font><br style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font style="color:rgb(11,13,14);font-family:arial,helvetica,"Liberation Sans",sans-serif;font-size:13px;vertical-align:inherit"><font style="vertical-align:inherit">(I know some people in the French Internet scene and have been in contact with them about this)</font></font><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op di 30 jul 2024 om 09:15 schreef Jaap van Till via <a href="http://groups.io/">groups.io</a> <vantill=<a href="mailto:gmail.com@groups.io">gmail.com@groups.io</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Dear all, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Not only the high speed TGV train infrastructure was attacked by fires ? at several places at the same time, claimed by extreme leftwing people. But also certain carefully selected optic fiber cables where cut all over France.</div><div dir="auto">Not much was published about that though. In the press they only mentioned that in certain “departements”(provinces) Internet access was unavailable, but that it worked fine in Paris region.</div><div dir="auto">I hope this habit will not spread among political activists, because it can endanger lives.<br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">My focus is on “Creating Value by Combining” 🧐😊🤓😁 Van Till’s Law :<br>4th Networking Effect: V= N! Value created by Cooperation = N unique contributors, Factorial. ( Multiplication of shared value).</div></div></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></blockquote></div>
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