[scg-sec] Telnet Vulnerability

Fri Aug 27 09:45:09 EDT 2004

Ryan McDowell
NTAC Internet (SprintLink)
Sprint Network Operations
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:

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> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Ryan McDowell wrote:
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> > I'd say its a non-issue, everybody should be running at least vty acl's
> > and that is what console is for.
> >
>
> yes, everyone SHOULD be using vty acls... at
> sprint/att/mci|uu/verio/C&W|Savvis/blah-large-nsp probably the use of vty
> acls is 'standard' (not on our managed networks, because we suck, what
> about yours?)

Point taken.  Maybe this is a good oppertunity to get folks running vty
ACL's then.  It is an alternative to convincing people that "cisco" is a
bad password to use.  Actually, our MNS folks run vty ACL's.  So I guess
we suck less :)

>
> Many, many, many folks do NOT use vty acls :( reference Rob Thomas for
> evidence of same :(
>
> That being said, however, this doesn't affect 'me', and I'm not sure that
> there is any great call for fire and brimstone (aside from cisco should
> have not let a little coding error get them like this, oh well!) and Ryan
> points out that Console (remote console) is quite effective at clearing
> stuck lines, which is nice :)
>
> > Although its interesting to see this as an explanation to why vty sessions lock
> >  up.  We've opened up several cases on this and could never quite figure it
> > out.  Any idea if other protocols are impacted?  We've had some problems with
> > TCP/49 sessions getting stuck in CLOSEWAIT, maybe this is related somehow?
> >
> > Ryan McDowell
> > NTAC Internet (SprintLink)
> > Sprint Network Operations
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> >
> > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Wendy Garvin wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > The detail about the window size will be withheld from the initial advisory
> > > in order to give customers time to implement the vty acl. Since we can't
> > > write ACL's to block a connection based on the window size, there doesn't
> > > seem to be any value in releasing this detail at first. At some point, we'll
> > > want IDS vendors to be able to detect this and we'll release the details
> > > then. The idea is to buy time. We may release this detail to the nsp-sec
> > > list before we put it in the advisory.
> > >
> > > Thanks, and let me know if you think you see attempted exploitation. I wish
> > > we could detect this with netflow. If any of you employ IDS systems and can
> > > write custom signatures, we'd sure like to know if you get attacked.
> > >
> > > Paul - Can Junipers do ACLs based on window size?
> > >
> > > By the way, we're considering this an annoyance attack rather than a
> > > production affecting attack, as it doesn't affect other TCP based protocols
> > > like BGP or LDP. The worst we can see happening is that people are locked
> > > out of managing their routers until they can get someone on site. While this
> > > is not a good situation, at least the device is still routing and switching
> > > traffic. We're also interested in knowing if that risk assessment misses
> > > anything from your deployment point of view.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > -Wendy
> > >
> > > > Battles, Timothy A (Tim), ALABS <tmbattles at att.com> [2004-08-26 11:51] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ohh, and clear line vty x
> > > >
> > > > Will not work.
> > > >
> > > > must be a clear tcp
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Jared Mauch [mailto:jared at puck.nether.net]
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:43 PM
> > > > >To: Battles, Timothy A (Tim), ALABS
> > > > >Cc: scg-sec at puck.nether.net
> > > > >Subject: Re: [scg-sec] Telnet Vulnerability
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >	so if there is a vty acl, we're safe, or semi-safe (ie:
> > > > >hosts in the
> > > > >acl only that can do 3-way).
> > > > >
> > > > >	- jared
> > > > >
> > > > >On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 02:39:19PM -0400, Battles, Timothy A
> > > > >(Tim), ALABS wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cisco Day1 VTY Vulnerability
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We have recently by accident discovered the following.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> After completing a 3-Way handshake with IOS and sending a
> > > > >Window size of 0, the VTY handler becomes confused
> > > > >> and will not allow other session to become established,
> > > > >SYN-ACKS will be received from the router.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In order to clear the session a
> > > > >>
> > > > >> clear tcp tcb xxxxxxxx
> > > > >> clear tcp line x
> > > > >> clear tcp line vty x
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> needs to be issued.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Some clarifiers
> > > > >> This effects both telnet and ssh.
> > > > >> The packet cannot be spoofed.
> > > > >> This is IOS only. Day 1
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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