[scg-sec] Telnet Vulnerability

Fri Aug 27 10:36:48 EDT 2004

The PSIRT only mentions telnet.  I have seen a similar problem manifest itself 
with ssh.  Has anyone confirmed that it is not affected?

On Thursday August 26 2004 20:06, Ryan McDowell wrote:
> I'd say its a non-issue, everybody should be running at least vty acl's
> and that is what console is for.
>
> Although its interesting to see this as an explanation to why vty sessions
> lock up.  We've opened up several cases on this and could never quite
> figure it out.  Any idea if other protocols are impacted?  We've had some
> problems with TCP/49 sessions getting stuck in CLOSEWAIT, maybe this is
> related somehow?
>
> Ryan McDowell
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> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Wendy Garvin wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > The detail about the window size will be withheld from the initial
> > advisory in order to give customers time to implement the vty acl. Since
> > we can't write ACL's to block a connection based on the window size,
> > there doesn't seem to be any value in releasing this detail at first. At
> > some point, we'll want IDS vendors to be able to detect this and we'll
> > release the details then. The idea is to buy time. We may release this
> > detail to the nsp-sec list before we put it in the advisory.
> >
> > Thanks, and let me know if you think you see attempted exploitation. I
> > wish we could detect this with netflow. If any of you employ IDS systems
> > and can write custom signatures, we'd sure like to know if you get
> > attacked.
> >
> > Paul - Can Junipers do ACLs based on window size?
> >
> > By the way, we're considering this an annoyance attack rather than a
> > production affecting attack, as it doesn't affect other TCP based
> > protocols like BGP or LDP. The worst we can see happening is that people
> > are locked out of managing their routers until they can get someone on
> > site. While this is not a good situation, at least the device is still
> > routing and switching traffic. We're also interested in knowing if that
> > risk assessment misses anything from your deployment point of view.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Wendy
> >
> > > Battles, Timothy A (Tim), ALABS <tmbattles at att.com> [2004-08-26 11:51]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ohh, and clear line vty x
> > >
> > > Will not work.
> > >
> > > must be a clear tcp
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Jared Mauch [mailto:jared at puck.nether.net]
> > > >Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:43 PM
> > > >To: Battles, Timothy A (Tim), ALABS
> > > >Cc: scg-sec at puck.nether.net
> > > >Subject: Re: [scg-sec] Telnet Vulnerability
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >	so if there is a vty acl, we're safe, or semi-safe (ie:
> > > >hosts in the
> > > >acl only that can do 3-way).
> > > >
> > > >	- jared
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 02:39:19PM -0400, Battles, Timothy A
> > > >
> > > >(Tim), ALABS wrote:
> > > >> Cisco Day1 VTY Vulnerability
> > > >>
> > > >> We have recently by accident discovered the following.
> > > >>
> > > >> After completing a 3-Way handshake with IOS and sending a
> > > >
> > > >Window size of 0, the VTY handler becomes confused
> > > >
> > > >> and will not allow other session to become established,
> > > >
> > > >SYN-ACKS will be received from the router.
> > > >
> > > >> In order to clear the session a
> > > >>
> > > >> clear tcp tcb xxxxxxxx
> > > >> clear tcp line x
> > > >> clear tcp line vty x
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> needs to be issued.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Some clarifiers
> > > >> This effects both telnet and ssh.
> > > >> The packet cannot be spoofed.
> > > >> This is IOS only. Day 1
> > > >>
> > > >>
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