[VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC

Sat Jun 18 17:10:13 EDT 2011

You would think.....but its actually broken down by what the LEC originally
was. For example....AT&T West used to be Pacific Bell and Nevada Bell. AT&T
SW used to be SBC etc. Verizon is the same way too.

Mary Lou Carey
BackUP Telecom Consulting
CLEC Consultant
OFF: 615-791-9969

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Alcantar [mailto:carlos at race.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 7:48 PM
To: Mary Lou Carey; Eric Hiller
Cc: VoiceOps
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC

Interesting you would think they would have the same policies across AT&T.

Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080
Phone: +1 415 376 3314  Fax:  +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com /
www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>

On 6/17/11 8:23 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:

>It depends on the ILEC you are dealing with. I've gotten AT&T Ameritech to
>only require me to trunk to the tandems that my client has NXXs in, but if
>you go to AT&T PacBell, they will require you to trunk to all the tandems
>regardless of whether or not you have NXXs there. AT&T BellSouth operates
>totally different than the other two and will allow you to install a
>multi-tandem supergroup that will pick up traffic from all their tandems
>in
>the LATA regardless of whether you have NXXs in another tandem or not.
>Some
>areas of CenturyLink still require you to pay to trunk to every CO.....so
>they are just all different!
>
>The cost of trunking also varies. Most AT&T PacBell and Verizon ICAs now
>say
>that each party pays for what's on their side of the POI. So if you have
>DS1
>collo, you would only have to pay for transport between your collo and
>your
>switch but nothing for the trunks. If you had DS3 collo and ordered a 3/1
>MUX to terminate your trunks on, then you would have to pay for the MUX
>but
>the LEC would cover the costs of the LIS trunks beyond that.
>
>The reason some LECs like SBC, PacBell, and Nevada Bell areas require you
>to
>trunk to all the tandems is because they are very much into wanting to
>provide diversity so that if one trunk group goes down the whole LATA
>isn't
>effected. So even though all your terminating traffic will come in on your
>LRN tandem, they want to keep all your originating traffic dispersed to
>the
>appropriate tandem. They also do this because it costs more for them to
>have
>to pass traffic back and forth between tandems than it does if it goes
>through the correct tandem.
>
>
>Mary Lou Carey
>BackUP Telecom Consulting
>CLEC Consultant
>OFF: 615-791-9969
>
>  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Hiller [mailto:clec at cygnustel.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:03 PM
>To: Carlos Alcantar
>Cc: Mary Lou Carey; Eric Hiller; VoiceOps
>Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
>
>I would not think you would need trunks to all the tandems in the lata for
>TERMINATIONS though, just ORIGINATIONS as Mary Lou had said?
>
>For example I can port a number from Level 3 even though I am not on every
>tandem in the LATA now.
>
>Is this correct Mary Lou? So if I added 4 new LATAs and I just wanted to
>do terminations, I would just have to establish a new LRN in each LATA as
>well as trunking to the tandem my LRN is homed on?
>
>-Eric
>
>On Wed, June 15, 2011 5:59 pm, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>> At least here in CA att makes you trunk to all the tandems in the lata.
>> At least with min trunks and you build your bulk of your trunks where
>>your
>> LRN is going to sit at.
>>
>> Carlos Alcantar
>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>> 101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080
>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314  Fax:  +1 650 246 8901 / carlos at race.com /
>> www.race.com <http://www.race.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/15/11 10:55 AM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
>>
>>>To terminate traffic you only need to have trunking to the LRN tandem in
>>>that LATA, but to originate traffic you need to have trunking
>>>established
>>>to
>>>the tandem that the rate center of the NXX homes on. Once we have all
>>> your
>>>Chicago trunks installed, you will be able to port any number in the
>>>LATA
>>>to
>>>yourself. Make sense?
>>>
>>>
>>>Mary Lou Carey
>>>BackUP Telecom Consulting
>>>CLEC Consultant
>>>OFF: 615-791-9969
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org
>>> [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org]
>>>On Behalf Of Eric Hiller
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM
>>>To: voiceops at voiceops.org
>>>Subject: [VoiceOps] Porting Number - CLEC
>>>
>>>In order to port a number, what trunking requirements do we have? Is it
>>>that we have to have trunking to the same tandem as the npa-nxx holder?
>>>IE. If I wanted to port 100-100-1000 And the 100-100-1 thousands block
>>>is
>>>held by company A, and then 100-100 npanxx/ten k block is held by
>>>Company
>>>B and is homed on Tandem C, then I just need to have trunking into
>>>Tandem
>>>C and have an ICA with whomever controls Tandem C, which could be
>>>company
>>>A,B or some third company C correct?
>>>
>>>The same would apply in order to get our own thousands block as well
>>>correct?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>-Eric Hiller
>>>Cygnus
>>>
>>>
>>>
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