[VoiceOps] Ambiguous dial plan pattern matching
David.Hiers at adp.com
Tue Dec 4 16:00:37 EST 2012
I tested my home phone by dialing a string of 2s of varying length and measuring the PDD in seconds.
11 can't dial 11 2s, the switch makes a decision on the 10th one.
All that fancy-pants EAS/LATA/LERG/LCAD stuff has to ultimately get implemented by something that watches every key press. No magic, just a switch big enough to implement timers and a pile of conditional statements on every key press.
I'm sure that someone could build a SIP phone that could duplicate the digit analysis behavior of a traditional class 5 switch, but I'm not so sure that it'd be cheap enough to sell.
From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Alvarez
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 09:23
To: voiceops at voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Ambiguous dial plan pattern matching
Mary Lou, you write some fantastic educational posts on this list. I wanted to thank you for the time and effort you put into it.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal at snappydsl.net<mailto:faisal at snappydsl.net>> wrote:
Thanks for an excellent detailed explanation.
On Dec 3, 2012, at 5:21 PM, "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com<mailto:marylou at backuptelecom.com>> wrote:
> Routing is determined by the NPA type of that area AND by the local calling
> guide established by the LEC. Everyone can set their own local calling areas
> as far as rates are concerned, but you will be charged CABS according to the
> way the LEC established their local calling area for each rate center. (Rate
> centers are established by the NANP and can be a city, a portion of a city
> or a group of cities. They are listed in the LERG, and on several other
> websites such as localcallingguide.com<http://localcallingguide.com>, nationalpooling.com<http://nationalpooling.com> and nanpa.com<http://nanpa.com>).
> Seven digit dialing is only used in areas where there is one NPA for the
> local area. Ten digit dialing is used in areas where there is an overlay
> (more than one NPA per local area) and 11 digit (1 plus) is used in areas
> where there was an area code split. The difference between a split and an
> overlay is that a split required everyone (existing and new end users) to
> change their NPA to the new area code. Overlays allow you to assign numbers
> from the new NPA to new end users but allows the existing end users to keep
> their old NPA.
> LECs typically break up their local and EAS calling areas by rate center and
> while local calling areas are limited by rate center boundaries, local
> calling areas can vary by rate center. For example, someone in Nashville TN
> can make a local call to both Murfreesboro and Franklin, but a person in
> Murfreesboro cannot make a local call to someone in Franklin.
> Every NPA-NXX is assigned to a specific rate center and a specific switch. A
> switch can cover multiple rate centers and local calling areas, so the LECs
> set up call scenarios that detail the dialing requirements and how the call
> will be routed. They begin by adding every NPA-NXX-X associated for that
> particular switch and map out which NPA-NXX combinations require 7 digit
> dialing. Then they set up a scenario for each call type determined by route.
> So if your end user calls another one of your end users in the same rate
> center, it's going to use scenario A in which the switch will route the call
> directly itself and only require 7 digit dialing. If your end user calls
> someone on the B list (let's say that list contains all the NXXs within the
> same NPA), then require 7 digit dialing and route the call to the local
> tandem trunks. I could go on and on, but basically the concept is that after
> you determine the dialing requirements for each rate center your switch
> covers in a particular LATA and the available routes the call has to take,
> you set up call scenarios in your switch to cover each dialing requirement /
> route combination your switch will encounter.
> Mary Lou Carey
> BackUP Telecom Consulting
> marylou at backuptelecom.com<mailto:marylou at backuptelecom.com>
> Office: 615-791-9969 x 2001<tel:615-791-9969%20x%202001>
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> Subject: [VoiceOps] Ambiguous dial plan pattern matching
> Sorry for what probably will end up sounding like a rather noob-ish
> question, but I still consider myself a relative greenhorn...
> We are a VoSP. With the advent here in the U.S. of area code overlays,
> 10-digit dialing, and even carriers/vendors (VoIP and wireless, mostly)
> continuing to blur the distinction between local and toll calls (at least
> from the end-user's perspective), it is not an uncommon thing to run into
> service platforms where both 7- and 10-digit dialing is supported, but the
> 7-digit support feels (again, from the customer's perspective) half-assed,
> at least compared to the ILEC's implementation. But if the customer still
> lives in an area where 10-digit dialing is not mandatory, he/she expects it
> to work, so we "have" to provide it.
> It feels inferior because back when when local destinations were always
> within the same NPA as the caller, the number pattern rules were simple, at
> least for domestic calls: if it starts with a 1, it will be an 11-digit
> number, and if it starts with 2-9, it will be a 7-digit number; but now, if
> it starts with 2-9, it could be either 7 or 10 digits, and you won't know
> for sure which one it is unless the caller has entered more than 7 digits.
> And in these ambiguous scenarios where two destination patterns partially
> overlap, it's the "did the caller stop dialing" part that's hard to measure,
> right? So now you have CPE gear generating dialtone (whether PBX or ATA)
> which either feels to the caller like it is extremely slow at putting the
> call through, or which requires the caller to remember to do something
> special at the end of a 7-digit destination (like dial # or something to
> signal they're done) if they don't want to wait. (There's also been a
> similar phenomenon for a whil!
> e with PBX systems that use outbound routing prefixes like '9' in order to
> make it unambiguous whether you are dialing an internal extension or an
> external destination.)
> Now obviously the CO switch can't read minds either, so in areas without
> mandatory 10-digit dialing, it seems inescapable that it would have to
> determine whether the user is done dialing via some kind of timeout
> mechanism as well. But it sure seems like most Class 5 switches must have a
> much more intelligent ambiguous number pattern matching algorithm than most
> CPE gear does since, as a general rule, people that still have an analog
> loop to the CO these days and regularly dial 7 digits don't experience
> (e.g.) upwards of a 5-second delay between when they've finished dialing and
> when they hear their first ringback.
> The question is, what's the secret sauce, and why can't that same algorithm
> be implemented in CPE gear?
> Nathan Anderson
> First Step Internet, LLC
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