[VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy

[James Milko]

It could be anytime the *LEC still has the entire A block.  As far as how
common it is I can't really say.  My cell phone and childhood phone number
are both native routed.

Wireline:
http://www.localcallingguide.com/lca_prefix.php?npa=732&nxx=363

Wireless:
http://www.localcallingguide.com/lca_prefix.php?npa=201&nxx=320

James Milko

Architect, Network Engineering

900 Main Campus Drive

Raleigh, NC 27606

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On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com>
wrote:

> ‎Aren't 95%+ rate centres pooled these days? If so, they'd still have
> LRNs, since LRN-guided routing is a requirement of pooling. So, who still
> has non-pooled 10K blocks? Is that common in metro, or largely a trait of
> rural LECs?
>
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> *From: *James Milko
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 19, 2015 13:32
> *To: *Alex Balashov
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> *Subject: *Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed
> accuracy
>
> NPAC has a service type field that indicates wireless/wireline.  That
> doesn't solve for native numbers though since they won't have LRN data
> since they don't have LRNs.  I don't remember offhand if LERG has a
> wireless/wireline indication for a given [A]OCN or block.
>
> James Milko
>
> Architect, Network Engineering
>
> 900 Main Campus Drive
>
> Raleigh, NC 27606
>
> Bandwidth <http://www.bandwidth.com/business/>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com
> > wrote:
>
>> ‎Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN,
>> an LRN. Then what?
>> ‎
>> --
>> Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC
>> 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300
>> Atlanta, GA 30346
>> United States
>>
>> Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct)
>> Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry.
>>   Original Message
>> From: Kidd Filby
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52
>> To: Carlos Alvarez
>> Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org
>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed
>> accuracy
>>
>> If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my
>> own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day.  This product
>> is available now and has been for a while.  This is the only sure-way, I
>> know of, to have the most accurate data to work from.
>>
>> Kidd
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually
>> dial calls to cell phones.  Right now they are considering abandoning all
>> of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for
>> everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be
>> inaccurate.  There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and
>> "best effort" is NOT a defense to this, at all.  For example, Gallup just
>> settle a claim for $12M.
>>
>> So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from
>> originating from their dialer.  The only thing I can think of is some sort
>> of LRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response.  One of their people talked to
>> Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand
>> telephony.  Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people
>> here have some ideas.
>>
>> If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me
>> so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're
>> open to all options.  I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing
>> is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies.
>>
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