[VoiceOps] Creating an International Rate Deck

[Dovid Bender]

If you have a "proper" billing system then yes you can. In our case we do
lose money but its worth it. For instance my rate to Mongolia may go up and
I may lose 2 cents a minute. If say at the same time Swiss mobile drops and
we now make 1 cent more per minute with 100k minutes per month we have no
issue losing $20.00 to gain $1000.00 per month.


On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 7:00 AM Paul Stamoulis <pstamoulis at onestoptel.net>
wrote:

> Do you have a way to NOT route calls that are losing money?  That would
> solve the “underwater rate” problem…. Otherwise, you really can not do
> wholesale at all…
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> *From:* Shripal Daphtary <shripald at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 1:24 PM
> *To:* Paul Stamoulis <pstamoulis at onestoptel.net>
> *Cc:* VoiceOps at voiceops.org
> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Creating an International Rate Deck
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> Thanks Paul and Dovid --
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> I guess the question is what if i get a completion for the most expensive
> carrier as opposed to the cheapest, and it turns out i'm underwater?  The
> issue is the variance btw carrier1 (cheapest) and carrier6 (most expensive)
> could be 40 cents at times or more.
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> I'll take a look at GCS and R&R as well
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> We have an implementation of a2 billing to route international, but use it
> mostly to limit fraud exposure.
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> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:36 AM Paul Stamoulis <pstamoulis at onestoptel.net>
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> Int’l rating and routing is not for the feint of heart or the hurried –
> 215k of unique rating/routing options or “breakouts” as known in the
> industry, is not too bad.
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> You can use MS excel if you have the time to continually update and are
> familiar with excel macros but remember that rate updates come at least
> 5once or twice a week with most vendors so times that by the number of
> vendors and be ready to update-update-update or else you can lose money.
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> You may be better off either purchasing specialized SW or using one of the
> many cloud based companies to manage your rates for you; GCS is one such
> company in the USA and R&R is another – I have no relations with either
> company but I hear that they are both decent.
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> You should try to use all 6 carriers because, you are going to find that
> when one of the cheaper vendors does NOT work to one of the breakouts, then
> usually the other cheap vendors do NOT either. That’s when you need to be 6
> or more routes deep or risk upsetting clients.
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> As far as the mark-up on rates, don’t sweat that too much round up and
> have a larger markup for the cheaper rates. For retial certainly , you
> should have more than enough room and for wholesale int’l sales, well
> that’s a whole other subject that gets much more complex… good luck,
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> *Paul Stamoulis    +1 212 444 3003     Onestopcorp – thousands of
> technology solutions... just one call!*
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> *Please connect at **https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-stamoulis-56504531/*
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> *From:* VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> *On Behalf Of *Shripal
> Daphtary
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 10:10 AM
> *To:* VoiceOps at voiceops.org
> *Subject:* [VoiceOps] Creating an International Rate Deck
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> Hey group,
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> I have a question that I have been struggling with for years and have
> never come up with a good solution for.  It revolves around International
> Rate Deck creation, but i guess it could be for any tariff.   We have
> multiple carriers for International, however, i'm trying out Thinq right
> now so we can use their LCR.  Our other carriers aren't very successful
> with Intl.  Thinq's rate deck to me is 6 carriers for each prefix, making
> it around 215,000 lines. The carrier(s) that have the lowest cost for each
> prefix varies, so i can't turn off the most expensive three or something
> like that.
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> I was thinking of taking the least expensive 3 carriers and then averaging
> them and creating my rate from that average and then only allow Thinq to go
> 3 carriers deep. Does anyone have any experience with this?   Are there any
> best practices?
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> The second part of the question is how does one calculate the profit
> margin?  Let's say you wanted to make 35% for retail and 20% for wholesale,
> but if you call UK landline, the cost is only 0.004.  Your rate  would be
> 0.0054 for retail and 0.0048, which is nothing.  We have been doing
> something like If your cost is less than 0.03, then increase by 35% or 20%
> or whatever.  however, that doesn't always work if the cost is super close
> to your target.
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> Does anyone have any hard and fast rules that they use when creating
> decks? is there software that can help my puny brain think through this?
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> Thanks !
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> Shri
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