[VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems

Wed Feb 10 15:00:19 EST 2021

Very true...unless CLECs still order UNE loops or resale services from 
the ILEC there's not a whole lot of incentive to become a CLEC!

MARY LOU CAREY
BackUP Telecom Consulting
Office: 615-791-9969
Cell: 615-796-1111

On 2021-02-10 01:48 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
> That does indeed sound infinitely more economical and bureaucratically
> attainable. Why would anyone who provides primarily or exclusively IP
> telecom services want to be a CLEC anymore, unless specialising in
> regional wholesale PSTN connectivity, needing rights-of-way to build
> own network, or something of that ilk?
> 
> -- Alex
> 
> On 2/10/21 2:26 PM, Mary Lou Carey wrote:
>> Verizon will allow PSTN Connection Providers to put both IPES and CLEC 
>> NXXs on their existing trunk groups. AT&T and Lumen only allow PSTN 
>> Connection Providers to put IPES NXXs on their existing trunks. You 
>> are correct that for CLECs, AT&T and Lumen require the PSTN Connection 
>> Providers to build separate trunk groups in each LATA the CLEC 
>> operates in.
>> 
>> That's why it's becoming more beneficial to become an IPES provider. 
>> The other benefit is that CLECs have to be certified in every state 
>> and order an OCN for each state. IPES providers get certified for the 
>> entire country at one time and only have one OCN to identify their 
>> NXXs across the entire country. When IPES providers file NRUF reports, 
>> they only have to submit 1 NRUF report for their OCN vs CLECs who have 
>> to submit one NRUF report for every OCN they have.
>> 
>> Becoming an IPES provider also eliminates the need for SS7 links and 
>> SS7 routes! You usually pay a per-port charge for the connection to 
>> the PSTN Connection provider and a per-minute charge fee for all the 
>> traffic (as opposed to getting local traffic for free), but you don't 
>> have the cost of the SS7 network or SS7 routes.
>> 
>> MARY LOU CAREY
>> BackUP Telecom Consulting
>> Office: 615-791-9969
>> Cell: 615-796-1111
>> 
>> On 2021-02-10 01:13 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
>>> Mary Lou,
>>> 
>>> To make sure I understand: the PSTN connection providers have to 
>>> build
>>> separate tandem trunk groups in each respective LATA for CLEC NXXs vs
>>> IPES NXXs?
>>> 
>>> —
>>> Sent from mobile, with due apologies for brevity and errors.
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Mary Lou Carey 
>>>> <marylou at backuptelecom.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> They still do it....I just helped a client connect with them 
>>>> recently. All the PSTN Connection providers prefer that CLECs get 
>>>> certified as IPES providers though because AT&T and Lumen (fka 
>>>> CenturyLink) will only allow the PSTN connection providers to add 
>>>> IPES NXXs to their existing trunks. AT&T and Lumen make the PSTN 
>>>> connection providers install separate trunk groups for CLEC NXXs.
>>>> 
>>>> MARY LOU CAREY
>>>> BackUP Telecom Consulting
>>>> Office: 615-791-9969
>>>> Cell: 615-796-1111
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2021-02-09 12:43 PM, Jared Geiger wrote:
>>>>> Wide Voice used to run the PSTN connectivity (they may still do it, 
>>>>> I
>>>>> haven't investigated) for FreeConferenceCall.com and other similar
>>>>> services. They probably had to change up the business model when
>>>>> intercarrier compensation rates dried up.
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 3:55 PM Mike Hammett <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> That's the first I've heard of Wide Voice. Their network looks
>>>>>> little sparse at the moment. I wonder if it's on-demand, as in 
>>>>>> once
>>>>>> you inquire about a LATA, they build it out.
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>>> -------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com>
>>>>>> To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>>>>> Cc: "VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 5:33:19 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems
>>>>>> You can get a PSTN Connection Service from Peerless or Wide Voice.
>>>>>> Inteliquent used to offer that service but they have backed away
>>>>>> from it
>>>>>> recently.
>>>>>> To make it simple, you have to get certified as an Interconnected
>>>>>> VOIP
>>>>>> carrier and then set up SIP trunks with your PSTN Connection
>>>>>> provider.
>>>>>> You order a POI CLLI and LRN NXX for every LATA that you want to
>>>>>> enter
>>>>>> and point your traffic to the PSTN Connection provider's switch in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> LERG. You still have all your own NXXs and LRNs, but you can get 
>>>>>> rid
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> your SS7 network because the PSTN Connection Service Provider
>>>>>> handles
>>>>>> that piece. You still do all your own porting and maintain all 
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> connections with 911, LD, VOIP providers. If you want more
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> on how it all works, just message me privately.
>>>>>> MARY LOU CAREY
>>>>>> BackUP Telecom Consulting
>>>>>> Office: 615-791-9969
>>>>>> Cell: 615-796-1111
>>>>>> On 2021-02-08 03:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>>> Due to receiving several offlist e-mails about this point, I
>>>>>> wanted to
>>>>>>> point out that I'm not looking to do SIP directly to an ILEC
>>>>>> tandem. I
>>>>>>> assume there would be some abstraction layer happening by a third
>>>>>>> party.
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>>>> -------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>>>>>> To: "VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 9:24:57 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems
>>>>>>> I did want to circle back on this.
>>>>>>> I am currently a CLEC with traditional voice services in a single
>>>>>> LATA
>>>>>>> on a single set of tandems. We have SS7, do our own porting, etc.
>>>>>>> I understand that going interconnected VoIP (instead of CLEC) may
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> easier for my expansions.
>>>>>>> So that I don't have to drag T1s all over the place, what options
>>>>>> do I
>>>>>>> have in front of me? To be clear, I am looking for specific
>>>>>> providers
>>>>>>> and products, even off-list solicitations.
>>>>>>> I'm not afraid of T1s, they're just expensive. I got a quote for 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> single T1 to the facility where the other tandem in our LATA is,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> it was far more expensive than just sending the calls out our
>>>>>>> termination providers. If I need more than one T1 (one for each
>>>>>>> tandem), then I'm really priced out of the market. Obviously that
>>>>>>> course of action wouldn't help me for my own number blocks.
>>>>>>> I looked at straight DID\minute services, but as some of our past
>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>> potential future) customers have several hundreds of DIDs 
>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the amount of traffic they'd have, that gets a difficult to
>>>>>> operate
>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>>>> -------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net>
>>>>>>> To: "VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 2:42:37 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems
>>>>>>> I'm evaluating methods of extending our footprint. I purposely
>>>>>> left
>>>>>>> out company names.
>>>>>>> One of the companies we talked to was really only interested in
>>>>>>> getting us the inbound long distance calls, not the local ones.
>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>>> they would, but the terms were vastly different.
>>>>>>> Given that I still need to build out to connect to the local
>>>>>> tandem,
>>>>>>> what's the point in using a third party to connect to long
>>>>>> distance?
>>>>>>> Are the terms for connecting to the local tandems different
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> the access tandem is simpler, whereas the local tandem could
>>>>>>> potentially involve connections to a bunch of other switches, 
>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>> volume dictated I needed direct connections...  and they don't
>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>> deal with that?
>>>>>>> Are there third parties that don't have vastly different terms 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> local tandem services?
>>>>>>> Also, is it likely that I just don't understand what's going on? 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> went circles with the sales rep to make sure I understood what he
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> saying, but I could be wrong.
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> VoiceOps mailing list
>>>>>>> VoiceOps at voiceops.org
>>>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> VoiceOps mailing list
>>>>>>> VoiceOps at voiceops.org
>>>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> VoiceOps mailing list
>>>>>>> VoiceOps at voiceops.org
>>>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> VoiceOps mailing list
>>>>>> VoiceOps at voiceops.org
>>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> VoiceOps mailing list
>>>>> VoiceOps at voiceops.org
>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> VoiceOps mailing list
>>>> VoiceOps at voiceops.org
>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> VoiceOps mailing list
>>> VoiceOps at voiceops.org
>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops