[VoiceOps] No-commit international calling

[jay binks]

Ill Totally agree with Dovid here,

It's a huge mess, and a massive PITA, and this kind of thing have
the possibility be the demise of the voice industry.  (because it will
force more traffic to OTT communications)

I built and operate a Tier 1 in Australia, and I know that as a result of
Scam / Spam call regulation, the whole CLI presentation thing is just all
over the shop.

1 Carrier has started with an automated IVR ( "Press 1 to connect your
call" ) if they dont like your traffic, in an attempt to cut down on
robocall's to their customers.
Another has just notified that they are now not accepting international CLI
to their customers, and / or are restricting it heavily on some paths.

It's gotten SO bad infact, that part of me wishes for something like
STIR/SHAKEN  just so we have an industry wide standard, rather than the
wild west we have right now.

If you have good / clean traffic to Australia, you can hit me up.
If it's only a few hundred $$ per month, I'm going to direct you to our
retail offering, sorry.




On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 at 07:16, Dovid Bender via VoiceOps <
voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:

> TLDR; Global routing is getting messier and messier. Get a few carriers in
> route for intl calls. Anything other than a BUSY should fail to the next
> carrier in route.
>
> Global routing has been a cluster **** as of lately. Two issues have risen
> as of late. The first is countries cracking down on spam traffic. Lots of
> countries (Australia, UK etc.) are forcing carriers to watch the traffic
> coming in a lot closer. The second is the rates. A few years back the EEA
> put in regulation that inter EEA calls need to be charged the same low
> rates. The carriers started a two tier billing system. If the CLI was in
> the EEA it was the lower rate and if the CLI was non EEA it was billed at a
> higher rate, there were some exceptions. This set off a chain reaction.
> South Africa was next. Wholesale was about 0.025 per minute for Mobile.
> Overnight inter SA calls were charged the same while calls from outside SA
> were charged at 0.16 per minute. In SA they were more strict and spoofing
> CLI didn't help. It took about 1-2 years for the routes to stabilize. Tier1
> carriers had GSM gateways in route (we proved this by using iTest). Carrier
> started spoofing CLI to EEA countries with a local number (e.g. if they
> called Germany they made up a number that started with 49). This led the
> German carriers to charge a higher rate if calls to Germany came with a
> local CLI (it's still cheaper if the CLI is from another EEA Country). The
> Israeli carriers recently started charging an extra 0.10 per minute if the
> calls come from out  of the country. This led the UK carriers to raise
> their rates. Where the CLI to UK calls is Israeli, they started  charging
> 0.30 per minute. Currently BICS has more route exceptions for pricing than
> they do have actual routes.  There is a lot more here and I can talk for
> hours on the subject.
>
> Carriers want to advertise/offer the best route to win your business. So
> say Cyprus cost 0.10 per minute for non EEA CLI, if a carrier has a GSM
> gateway option that costs them 0.02 per minute they will issue you a rate
> of say 0.3 per minute and if the GW is busy simply reject your calls. This
> they they win whatever traffic you have going to them based on your A-Z
> routing. I would tell you to look at:
> Voxbeam
> IDT (Net2Phone) - Ask them for their platinum rate deck, I would not go
> any lower.
>
> My 9-5 is the equiv of a CLEC in Cyprus and our "specialty" is getting
> good quality routes. If the others don't work free to email me off list and
> I can try to help out.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 3:34 PM Ross Tajvar via VoiceOps <
> voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have an asterisk PBX for personal/business use. I use Flowroute for
>> both origination and termination.
>>
>> Recently I've started needing to make some international calls
>> (specifically mostly to the UK, but also some other places in Europe and
>> Australia). There've been a few numbers where completion is very
>> hit-or-miss, and a few that seem not to work at all (in both cases I get a
>> SIP 500 back from the carrier).
>>
>> I'm wondering if this is a carrier issue - maybe Flowroute just has
>> low-quality routes to some destinations? I'd like to try other carriers,
>> and ideally keep a second one as a fallback, but I'm not sure who's out
>> there with no commit.
>>
>> Looks like voip.ms is one option. Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ross
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Sincerely

Jay
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